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'''Weapon info''' | '''Weapon info''' | ||
Goemon's weapon is a hand Cannon, while armed he cannot use his 4B, j.2B or 214P, his Fireball changes to be a mid-height one that travels at the same speed as his unarmed Fireball | |||
Goemon's weapon is a hand Cannon, while armed he cannot use his 4B, j.2B or 214P, his Fireball changes to be a mid-height one that travels at the same speed as his unarmed Fireball with slightly increased damage | |||
The command grab also changes; This one sends the opponent almost a screen away which is useful to force characters without projectiles into a distance | The command grab also changes; This one sends the opponent almost a screen away which is useful to force characters without projectiles into a distance | ||
A good state for different situations and demands matchup knowledge from the opponent | A good state for different situations and demands matchup knowledge from the opponent | ||
Revision as of 11:30, 9 December 2024
Introduction
Unarmed | Weapon |
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Story:
A lone-wolf thief who has kept the country astir.
Steals only from those who fill their pockets through bad deeds, however, and gives away the wealth to orphans and poor people.
Having heard rumors of the Golden Palace, seeks it as the next target.
Strategy
Goemon is a toolbox, he has a move for nearly every situation, featuring a low-hitting projectile, an amazing regular throw and equally amazing Normals for poking, neutral and pressuring, all this makes him a character that is difficult to answer properly and can quickly overwhelm the opponent.
However, he has no reliable Anti-air, his most Damaging combos are tight on execution and so are his most damaging throw juggles, an error on your inputs can leave you with no meter and thus no reliable Reversal option... This is where Goemon struggles as his defense is bad without meter, making it easy for the opponent to pressure him if they win the neutral.
To play Goemon, you need to have your Neutral well defined and know how to get in with your strong tools, as well as improving your execution so you can get his Combos properly.
Weapon info
Goemon's weapon is a hand Cannon, while armed he cannot use his 4B, j.2B or 214P, his Fireball changes to be a mid-height one that travels at the same speed as his unarmed Fireball with slightly increased damage
The command grab also changes; This one sends the opponent almost a screen away which is useful to force characters without projectiles into a distance
A good state for different situations and demands matchup knowledge from the opponent
Pros | Cons |
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Move list
Normals
Standing
Far
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Close
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Crouching
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Jumping
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Version | Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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Neutral | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Diagonal | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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Neutral | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- | ||||||||||
Diagonal | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Command Normals
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | H | - | - | - | - | - | - |
If it hits a crouching opponent, it will stagger them. |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | H | - | - | - | - | - | - |
If it hits a crouching opponent, it will stagger them. |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | H | - | - | - | - | - | - |
If it hits a crouching opponent, it will stagger them. |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | HL | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Good Range and priority normal, has some startup. |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | H | - | - | - | - | - | - |
A bit of startup but excellent priority and range. |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | HL | - | - | - | - | - | - |
You can only use this move if you lost your Weapon, amazing range but has bad startup and damage, if this move connects with your Weapon, it will pull it closer making it easier to recover. |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | H | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Knocks down on hit, goes pretty far but is unsafe on block |
Universal Mechanics
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
- |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | low | no | 1 | - | - | - | - |
Goemon throws the opponent on a juggling state. Causes damage when throws and when the opponent falls, but the catch is that you can juggle the opponent with your specials, so you can increase the damage. The most simple example is using his 214A. Excellent throw for almost any kind of situation. |
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | low | no | 1 | - | - | - | - |
Pretty good when your opponent tries to avoid your keepaway. |
Special Moves
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | no | 1 | - | - | - | - |
Unnarmed, Goemon hits the opponent and then smacks him on the ground. Perfect positioning for a mixup after it If his weapon is drawn, he loads the cannon and shoots them almost a screen away. Not particulary usefull outside of start your keepaway game once again. |
Version | Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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Light | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Heavy | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
EX | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Goemon shoots a fireball out of his cannon. Kinda slow and fire effect. Not effective on fireball wars. A version is slow. B version has regular speed. A+B version is pretty fast and does good damage. |
Version | Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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Light | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Heavy | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
EX | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Goemon throws a spiked iron ball which rolls along the ground. Useful move to pester your opponent from afar and trick on fireball wars. A version is slow and does low damage. Allows some mixups B bersion is faster and does a bit more damage. A+B version is gold-coloured and has a " fire " effect when it hits. Faster than the regular versions. |
Version | Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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Light | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Heavy | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
EX | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Goemon hits the opponent for each consecutive " qcf + K " . Good damage and knockdown, easy to combo into. All versions are the same. |
Version | Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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Light | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Heavy | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
EX | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Goemon throws a bomb at an angle while leaping backwards. Mostly used for trickery get-aways. If you hold the button Goemon will delay the throw and the hop, but if the opponent touches the bomb, it will explode immediatly. A version is the weaker but also the safer one. B version has better damage but is also risky. A+B has the best damage from all, but is also the most unsafe one. |
Version | Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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Light | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Heavy | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
EX | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Goemon waves his arm and creates a trail of fire. Good multi purpose move, can be comboed and is a situational anti-air. A version is the fastest one and the easier one to combo into. B version is kinda slower but has better damage and seems to has more active frames. A+B version hits 2 times from point blank, best damage from all. Your go to move for finishing combos or after a throw. |
Spirit Gauge
Power Move
Version | Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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Level 0 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Level 1 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Level 2 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
-3 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Goemon slams a large ball and chain on to the ground. It hits on the initial swing so it can be a preemptive anti-air. Also allows cheap kills or some slight blockstrings. A+B version without full meter does good damage. A+B version with full meter does more damage and fire knockdown, empties your gauge. Not really usefull, you better save your meter to power-up your specials. |
Combo Super
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Goemon hits the opponent several times, then throws them in to the air and blasts them away with a large energy punch. |
Desperation Move
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Goemon makes a burst of fire appear in his hand, then does a flaming swing. Hits 2 times for good damage. Can't be comboed into normally but can be executed inside a chain, also can be used after a throw. |
Finisher
Damage | Meter | Stun | Guard | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | On Hit | On Block |
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- | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
Goemon lifts his arms and lets a variety of pointy implements on chains spring out of his sleeves. Nice range and priority, like his other desperation move it can be done inside a chain or with a throw juggle. |
Combos
Weapon Combos
Weapon Chains -------------------- Punch Starters `````````````` LP far ---> HP (*) -----> HP ----> qcf + HP (E) LP close | LK | f + HP (O, E) | | d + HK (_, E) | | | | | --> LK ----> HP -----> qcf + HP (E) | | | f + LP (O, E) f + HP (O, E) | | | d + HK (_, E) d + HK (_, E) | | | | | | | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) | | | | | --> HK ----> HK (O, L, E) | | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) f + LP (O) ---> f + HP (O, E) df + LP (O)---> HP -----> HP ----> HP -----> qcf + HP (E) f + LP (O, E) f + HP (SE) f + HP (O, E) qcf + HP (E) d + HK (_, E) HP close (*)--> HP -----> qcf + HP (E) | f + HP (O, E) | d + HK (_, E) | | -> LK -----> HP ----> qcf + HP (E) | | f + LP (O, E) f + HP (O, E) | | d + HK (_, E) d + HK (_, E) | | | | | --> HK ----> HK (O, L, E) | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) Kick Starters ````````````` LK close (_)--> HP -----> qcf + HP (E) | f + HP (O, E) | d + HK (_, E) | | -> LK -----> HP ----> qcf + HP (E) | | f + LP (O, E) f + HP (O, E) | | d + HK (_, E) d + HK (_, E) | | | | | -> HK ----> HK (O, L, E) | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) HK close (*)--> HP (*) -----> HP ----> qcf + HP (E) | LK | f + HP (O, E) | | d + HK (_, E) | | | | | --> LK ----> HP -----> qcf + HP (E) | | | f + LP (O, E) f + HP (O, E) | | | d + HK (_, E) d + HK (_, E) | | | | | | | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) | | | | | --> HK ----> HK (O, L, E) | | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E)
Unarmed Combos
Chain Attacks ------------- Punch Starters `````````````` LP far ---> HP (*) -----> HP ----> f + HP (O, E) LP close | LK | d + HK (_, E) | | | | | --> LK ----> HP -----> f + HP (O, E) | | | b + HP (E) d + HK (_, E) | | | f + LP (O, E) | | | d + HK (_, E) | | | | | | | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) | | | | | --> HK ----> HK (O, L, E) | | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) f + LP (O) ---> f + HP (O, E) df + LP (O)---> HP -----> HP ----> HP -----> f + HP (O, E) f + LP (O, E) f + HP (SE) d + HK (_, E) HP close (*)--> HP -----> f + HP (O, E) | d + HK (_, E) | | -> LK -----> HP ----> f + HP (O, E) | | b + HP (E) d + HK (_, E) | | f + LP (O, E) | | d + HK (_, E) | | | | | --> HK ----> HK (O, L, E) | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) Kick Starters ````````````` LK close (_)--> HP -----> f + HP (O, E) | d + HK (_, E) | | -> LK -----> HP ----> f + HP (O, E) | | b + HP (E) d + HK (_, E) | | f + LP (O, E) | | d + HK (_, E) | | | | | -> HK ----> HK (O, L, E) | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) HK close (*)--> HP (*) -----> HP ----> f + HP (O, E) | LK | d + HK (_, E) | | | | | --> LK ----> HP -----> f + HP (O, E) | | | b + HP (E) d + HK (_, E) | | | f + LP (O, E) | | | d + HK (_, E) | | | | | | | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E) | | | | | --> HK ----> HK (O, L, E) | | | -> HK -----> HK (O, L, E)