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==What does the tier list look like?== | ==What does the tier list look like?== | ||
Tier Lists are a very debatable thing - its impossible to create one that is "truly accurate" or one that everyone agrees with. Between countries, platforms and time periods, you will find very different metas, where very different playstyles and characters find success. | |||
It's generally good for newcomers to not pay much attention to the tier list. If you really need a rough idea of the meta though. . . | |||
* The '''top 3 are almost universally considered to be Chun, Yun, and Ken''', in that order. | |||
* The high and mid tiers are pretty open. The high tier characters are very good, nearly competitive with the top tier, but may have some poor matchups or key weaknesses that push them down a bit. Mid tiers are solid enough, but have an exploitable weakness, rely on a gimmick or are lacking key tools that higher tiers have. | |||
* The low tier is similar to mid tier, just worse. These characters have more exploitable weaknesses, or lack important tools to generate their offense effectively. | |||
* The '''very bottom tier is generally considered to be Sean and Twelve'''. While any character can be competitive, these two are usually considered to have severe flaws that are extremely difficult to overcome. Some may consider them borderline incomplete. | |||
'' | * While any matchup can theoretically be overcome by excellent play and just being way better than your opponent, some characters will take much more work than others. The state of 3S balance has been greatly exaggerated over the years -- it probably isn't as bad as you've heard -- but some very bad matchups do exist, and the bottom two tiers in particular have quite poor matchup spreads. | ||
[[File:3s-tier.png|left]] | |||
== Which character should I pick?== | |||
It is honestly best if you '''pick a character that you enjoy playing''', seems cool to watch or has a design you like, regardless of playstyle. This will make learning the game (and losing) more enjoyable. However, I'll assume you are asking this question if you don't have a specific preference. In this case, there are a few choices: | |||
* '''Ken''' is a strong character, very versatile, with tools for every situation, and a lot of strong options. With Ken, you can play a patient poking game, a pseudo-zoning game, or a rushdown game. The ways he utilizes his Super Art III (SA3) is straightforward, but very effective, with many routes to land it and giving fantastic advantage afterwards. Ken uses a lot of the game's fundamental mechanics, and he doesn't have any specific weakness or quirk that makes him as good as he is. He is honestly the best bet, especially if you want to learn almost all aspects of the game. | |||
* '''Chun-Li''' has incredible buttons and one of the best supers in the game (SA2). She rewards consistent hit-confirms, fundamental neutral, and has an overall simplistic (but highly effective) offensive pattern through her absurd kara-throw and super. Understanding Chun's strengths and weaknesses often directly correlates into fundamental skill, which will in the long term carry over into other characters. However, she lacks reliable reversal and anti-air options. | |||
* | * '''Elena''' is a great pick for players who are not yet good at performing combos but want the ability to inflict overwhelming mixup pressure and dominate in neutral like Chun-Li. She lacks a reliable cancelable low attack, but has a very low execution barrier and many of her best defensive moves simply require one button to perform (HK is an outstanding button that punishes throw attempts, for example). She does lack a fireball for zoning, but has continuing pressure similar to Gouki with her EX Mallet Smash, as well as one of the best kara-throws in the game with f+MK, reaching almost as far as Chun-Li's. | ||
* '''Gouki''' is generally a high tier, and also a very versatile one. Like with Ken, Gouki can be a legitimate zoner or a scary rushdown character. He's still straightforward, but is not as linear as Ken if you are looking for a more "crazy" character to play. This mobility mainly stems from the fact that he can cancel attacks into his Demon Flip series, allowing him to maintain pressure when most characters would reset to neutral. The main downside of picking Gouki is that his low life and stun means players can afford to do less mistakes and that he dies quickly, which may turn off newer players, as well as the fact that he lacks EX attacks (though he is given a meterless invulnerable uppercut to compensate). He also has a very good kara-throw (f+MP) for cracking open your opponent's defense. | |||
* '''Ryu''' is usually a middle tier, but is not bad or less viable by any means. He's still well rounded and straightforward, but while he lacks some of Ken's flexibility and speed, he hits like a truck. Ryu actually has options to inflict massive amounts of stun (especially with SA3) and can perform a taunt to increase his stun recovery rate. Also, unlike Ken, he possesses a very good kara-throw (f+MP). | |||
* '''Yang''' has a low health pool, which may be challenging for newcomers, but his speed, damage, and stun accumulation are some of the best in class. EX Mantis Slash is extremely easy to confirm from light attacks and can be made virtually impossible to punish by most characters on block. He also possesses a command grab (Zenpou Tenshin) which allows for additional pressure to crack open an opponent's defense. He lacks true reversals outside of using a Super Art however, so regaining momentum while on defense can be a huge problem. | |||
* '''Dudley''' has high damage, high defense, high stun rating, high stun infliction, and almost unreactable mixups that lead into a ton of damage while maintaining his pressure advantage afterwards. He has combos of ''every'' difficult level, making him ideal for players to lab and practice their skills. His main weakness is a complete lack of cancelable low attacks from mid to long range, but in return he possesses the fastest jump in the game, the fastest overhead that can link into a super (Dart Shot, f+HK), and a Personal Action (rose toss) that locks opponents down in the corner after landing a super. | |||
== Which characters are bad for beginners?== | |||
* '''Oro''' is a rather unorthodox character, and can create confusing patterns of improvement, often forsaking fundamentals for his insane risk-reward buttons. Furthermore, his neutral is primarily centered around non-cancelable high pokes. | |||
* '''Twelve''' is frustrating for numerous reasons: Low defense and low damage, with little room to improve damage output with combo optimization or execution. He can be extremely annoying to fight against, but falls apart like a milkshake when under pressure and will truly test your patience when trying to mount a comeback. | |||
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==How should I approach learning a character?== | |||
: | While each character is different, there are a few questions you should be asking universally. Learning combos is important, but they are only useful if you can understand their context. Once you have a character you like, get into training mode and work your way through this list: | ||
* Which buttons earn a knockdown? | |||
* What buttons are particularly plus? | |||
* What are my meter building buttons? | |||
* Which buttons start up the fastest? | |||
* Which buttons push away, which keep closer? | |||
* Which buttons are the most damaging? | |||
* Which buttons do the most stun? | |||
* Which buttons are overhead? | |||
* Which moves corner carry? | |||
* What is my best kara button? | |||
* What are my pokes? | |||
* Are my character’s EX moves good? | |||
* What moves can be kara’d? | |||
* Do I have any 1 frame startup supers? | |||
* What does my taunt do? | |||
* How does my character's size affect their vulnerability? | |||
* What ranges do characters land at after throw or super? | |||
* What are my anti-airs? | |||
* How can I land super? | |||
* What is my corner spacing? | |||
* Are my dashes airbourne? | |||
* Do I have moves that close distance, where am I spaced afterwards? | |||
* What are my chip options? | |||
* Do I have wakeup reversals? | |||
* At what ranges are parries most valuable? | |||
* What are my jump attacks? | |||
* How can I earn meter on block safely? | |||
* How do I best escape the corner? | |||
* How does my character set up tick throws and throw baits? | |||
* What are my “outside” options against panicking opponents? | |||
* What are my gimmicks and bait? | |||
* What is my game plan? | |||
A video guide explaining these points in more detail can be found below: | |||
<youtube>_9ydeH1VoIA</youtube> | |||
== | ==What general advice should a beginner follow? What general strategy?== | ||
It's important to develop a learning strategy to play FGs with the most excitement and effectiveness if you want to improve. He are a few, universal tips: | |||
* '''Don't rush and try to parry''' - learn to block first. Blocking is safer, even if the reward is not immidiate, its worse than parrying all the time and either getting baited or missing the parry completely. Don't mash when you don't know what to do as well - you *will* get punished a lot if you do. Blocking is great, learn to love it. | |||
* '''When you do start to parry,''' - start with fireballs, then ex-fireballs, then tatsus and shoryus. Fireball parries are essential. Many moves share similar timings. | |||
* '''Have routes to super''' - which are reliable and repeatable. Example: Ken can mixup overhead into sa3, or clk, clk into sa3. If he has oki, he can almost always enforce this. How does your character enforce a mixup that leads to super? | |||
* '''Play people who are (only a bit) better than you, and expect to lose many of your first matches, for a differing period of time. Losing is normal, you shouldn't blame yourself, nor the game or the opponent for it. Nobody is going to shame you for losing, and if you can learn from your losses you will only be respected. Learning from loses is exactly what pro player do. | |||
* '''Talk with People!''' The best part of FGs is the community, learning, discussing and playing together is the fun. If you play on Fightcade, join the 3rd Strike servers and community events pointed out in the room for the game. | |||
* | * Always remember to have fun. If you're not enjoying yourself or finding yourself getting frustrated, take a walk, touch grass. | ||
= Miscellaneous = | |||
==Any useful Third Strike links I can use?== | ==Any useful Third Strike links I can use?== | ||
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* [http://baston.esn3s.com Street Fighter III Third Strike Frame Data] - Frame data courtesy of ESN | * [http://baston.esn3s.com Street Fighter III Third Strike Frame Data] - Frame data courtesy of ESN | ||
* [http://www.kraproom.com/denjin/podcast/ 3rd Strike Junkies Podcast] - Strategy podcast | * [http://www.kraproom.com/denjin/podcast/ 3rd Strike Junkies Podcast] - Strategy podcast | ||
* [https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12RoIYLmaFOVSf3igMgGPlLtcunto-8xVdvyK1e6YhYI/edit?usp=sharing 3rd Strike Resources Spreadsheet] - Lots of General Tutorials, Info, Videos, and Resources, along with plenty of character specific resources | |||
* [https://www.justnopoint.com/zweifuss/index.htm 3S Sprite Viewer] - Extensive Sprites/Animations for every 3S character | |||
{{Navbox-3S}} | {{Navbox-3S}} | ||
[[Category: Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike]] | [[Category: Street Fighter 3: 3rd Strike]] | ||
Latest revision as of 21:53, 24 February 2025
General
What does the tier list look like?
Tier Lists are a very debatable thing - its impossible to create one that is "truly accurate" or one that everyone agrees with. Between countries, platforms and time periods, you will find very different metas, where very different playstyles and characters find success.
It's generally good for newcomers to not pay much attention to the tier list. If you really need a rough idea of the meta though. . .
- The top 3 are almost universally considered to be Chun, Yun, and Ken, in that order.
- The high and mid tiers are pretty open. The high tier characters are very good, nearly competitive with the top tier, but may have some poor matchups or key weaknesses that push them down a bit. Mid tiers are solid enough, but have an exploitable weakness, rely on a gimmick or are lacking key tools that higher tiers have.
- The low tier is similar to mid tier, just worse. These characters have more exploitable weaknesses, or lack important tools to generate their offense effectively.
- The very bottom tier is generally considered to be Sean and Twelve. While any character can be competitive, these two are usually considered to have severe flaws that are extremely difficult to overcome. Some may consider them borderline incomplete.
- While any matchup can theoretically be overcome by excellent play and just being way better than your opponent, some characters will take much more work than others. The state of 3S balance has been greatly exaggerated over the years -- it probably isn't as bad as you've heard -- but some very bad matchups do exist, and the bottom two tiers in particular have quite poor matchup spreads.
Which character should I pick?
It is honestly best if you pick a character that you enjoy playing, seems cool to watch or has a design you like, regardless of playstyle. This will make learning the game (and losing) more enjoyable. However, I'll assume you are asking this question if you don't have a specific preference. In this case, there are a few choices:
- Ken is a strong character, very versatile, with tools for every situation, and a lot of strong options. With Ken, you can play a patient poking game, a pseudo-zoning game, or a rushdown game. The ways he utilizes his Super Art III (SA3) is straightforward, but very effective, with many routes to land it and giving fantastic advantage afterwards. Ken uses a lot of the game's fundamental mechanics, and he doesn't have any specific weakness or quirk that makes him as good as he is. He is honestly the best bet, especially if you want to learn almost all aspects of the game.
- Chun-Li has incredible buttons and one of the best supers in the game (SA2). She rewards consistent hit-confirms, fundamental neutral, and has an overall simplistic (but highly effective) offensive pattern through her absurd kara-throw and super. Understanding Chun's strengths and weaknesses often directly correlates into fundamental skill, which will in the long term carry over into other characters. However, she lacks reliable reversal and anti-air options.
- Elena is a great pick for players who are not yet good at performing combos but want the ability to inflict overwhelming mixup pressure and dominate in neutral like Chun-Li. She lacks a reliable cancelable low attack, but has a very low execution barrier and many of her best defensive moves simply require one button to perform (HK is an outstanding button that punishes throw attempts, for example). She does lack a fireball for zoning, but has continuing pressure similar to Gouki with her EX Mallet Smash, as well as one of the best kara-throws in the game with f+MK, reaching almost as far as Chun-Li's.
- Gouki is generally a high tier, and also a very versatile one. Like with Ken, Gouki can be a legitimate zoner or a scary rushdown character. He's still straightforward, but is not as linear as Ken if you are looking for a more "crazy" character to play. This mobility mainly stems from the fact that he can cancel attacks into his Demon Flip series, allowing him to maintain pressure when most characters would reset to neutral. The main downside of picking Gouki is that his low life and stun means players can afford to do less mistakes and that he dies quickly, which may turn off newer players, as well as the fact that he lacks EX attacks (though he is given a meterless invulnerable uppercut to compensate). He also has a very good kara-throw (f+MP) for cracking open your opponent's defense.
- Ryu is usually a middle tier, but is not bad or less viable by any means. He's still well rounded and straightforward, but while he lacks some of Ken's flexibility and speed, he hits like a truck. Ryu actually has options to inflict massive amounts of stun (especially with SA3) and can perform a taunt to increase his stun recovery rate. Also, unlike Ken, he possesses a very good kara-throw (f+MP).
- Yang has a low health pool, which may be challenging for newcomers, but his speed, damage, and stun accumulation are some of the best in class. EX Mantis Slash is extremely easy to confirm from light attacks and can be made virtually impossible to punish by most characters on block. He also possesses a command grab (Zenpou Tenshin) which allows for additional pressure to crack open an opponent's defense. He lacks true reversals outside of using a Super Art however, so regaining momentum while on defense can be a huge problem.
- Dudley has high damage, high defense, high stun rating, high stun infliction, and almost unreactable mixups that lead into a ton of damage while maintaining his pressure advantage afterwards. He has combos of every difficult level, making him ideal for players to lab and practice their skills. His main weakness is a complete lack of cancelable low attacks from mid to long range, but in return he possesses the fastest jump in the game, the fastest overhead that can link into a super (Dart Shot, f+HK), and a Personal Action (rose toss) that locks opponents down in the corner after landing a super.
Which characters are bad for beginners?
- Oro is a rather unorthodox character, and can create confusing patterns of improvement, often forsaking fundamentals for his insane risk-reward buttons. Furthermore, his neutral is primarily centered around non-cancelable high pokes.
- Twelve is frustrating for numerous reasons: Low defense and low damage, with little room to improve damage output with combo optimization or execution. He can be extremely annoying to fight against, but falls apart like a milkshake when under pressure and will truly test your patience when trying to mount a comeback.
How should I approach learning a character?
While each character is different, there are a few questions you should be asking universally. Learning combos is important, but they are only useful if you can understand their context. Once you have a character you like, get into training mode and work your way through this list:
- Which buttons earn a knockdown?
- What buttons are particularly plus?
- What are my meter building buttons?
- Which buttons start up the fastest?
- Which buttons push away, which keep closer?
- Which buttons are the most damaging?
- Which buttons do the most stun?
- Which buttons are overhead?
- Which moves corner carry?
- What is my best kara button?
- What are my pokes?
- Are my character’s EX moves good?
- What moves can be kara’d?
- Do I have any 1 frame startup supers?
- What does my taunt do?
- How does my character's size affect their vulnerability?
- What ranges do characters land at after throw or super?
- What are my anti-airs?
- How can I land super?
- What is my corner spacing?
- Are my dashes airbourne?
- Do I have moves that close distance, where am I spaced afterwards?
- What are my chip options?
- Do I have wakeup reversals?
- At what ranges are parries most valuable?
- What are my jump attacks?
- How can I earn meter on block safely?
- How do I best escape the corner?
- How does my character set up tick throws and throw baits?
- What are my “outside” options against panicking opponents?
- What are my gimmicks and bait?
- What is my game plan?
A video guide explaining these points in more detail can be found below:
What general advice should a beginner follow? What general strategy?
It's important to develop a learning strategy to play FGs with the most excitement and effectiveness if you want to improve. He are a few, universal tips:
- Don't rush and try to parry - learn to block first. Blocking is safer, even if the reward is not immidiate, its worse than parrying all the time and either getting baited or missing the parry completely. Don't mash when you don't know what to do as well - you *will* get punished a lot if you do. Blocking is great, learn to love it.
- When you do start to parry, - start with fireballs, then ex-fireballs, then tatsus and shoryus. Fireball parries are essential. Many moves share similar timings.
- Have routes to super - which are reliable and repeatable. Example: Ken can mixup overhead into sa3, or clk, clk into sa3. If he has oki, he can almost always enforce this. How does your character enforce a mixup that leads to super?
- Play people who are (only a bit) better than you, and expect to lose many of your first matches, for a differing period of time. Losing is normal, you shouldn't blame yourself, nor the game or the opponent for it. Nobody is going to shame you for losing, and if you can learn from your losses you will only be respected. Learning from loses is exactly what pro player do.
- Talk with People! The best part of FGs is the community, learning, discussing and playing together is the fun. If you play on Fightcade, join the 3rd Strike servers and community events pointed out in the room for the game.
- Always remember to have fun. If you're not enjoying yourself or finding yourself getting frustrated, take a walk, touch grass.
Miscellaneous
Any useful Third Strike links I can use?
- [1] Official Arcade Page
- [2] Japanese Wiki
- Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike Forums on Shoryuken
- C-Royd Teaches 3rd Strike - In-depth 3rd Strike tutorials
- The Shend's YouTube Channel - Thousands of 3rd Strike matches and miscellaneous videos
- Thongboy presents 3rd Strike Basics - The seminal 3rd Strike tutorial
- Street Fighter III Third Strike Frame Data - Frame data courtesy of ESN
- 3rd Strike Junkies Podcast - Strategy podcast
- 3rd Strike Resources Spreadsheet - Lots of General Tutorials, Info, Videos, and Resources, along with plenty of character specific resources
- 3S Sprite Viewer - Extensive Sprites/Animations for every 3S character
