Advanced V.G. 2/Saki/Move List

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Move List

st.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Mid		-	-	-
A short swipe, shares a similar animation to Tetsu. As a poke it's a bit slow, but it has a quick chain into 5LK. Chains to:

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st.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Mid		-	-	-
A turning low kick. It looks like an obvious standing low, but this is still a mid strike. No links or chains but the range is silly for a 5LK.

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st.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Mid		-	-	-
A two hit strike combination. The range on the second hit is good, but it takes significant time starting up. Is special cancelable so you can convert off either hit.

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st.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Mid		-	-	-
THE Saki button. A quick crescent kick that has not only has a very good horizontal hitbox, but also covers a significant amount of vertical space. It might not be reliable for deeper jump ins, but on a more shallow aerial approach this can and will deflect the opponent. It is also special cancellable. \ Chains to: > HK uses cl.HK animation

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cl.

File:AVG2 Saki clHK.jpg

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Mid		-	-	-
A cancelable vertical launcher. Useful as a situational anti-air.

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cr.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Mid	8	-	-	-
[Obligatory dated What Are Those joke] not too fast, but links into itself and chains into 2LK or hell, it is special cancelable by itself. Lots of utility. Chains to: > 5LP may be omitted

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cr.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Low	6	-	-	-
Faster than 2LP, is actually a low, and most importantly chains into 2HK for a knockdown. Special cancels for a combo, as well. Chains to:

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cr.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Mid		-	-	-
A special cancelable downward swipe, important for being her OTG pickup inot HP Tetsu.

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cr.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Low	4	-	-	-
A beefy sweep, great range, but holy crap is that startup fast.

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j.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	High		-	-	-
A downward jab. Can hit a standing opponent while rising. Chains to: j. / j.

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j.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	High	4	-	-	-
Also can hit a standing opponent while rising and has good horizontal range. When done as a neutral jump it is not active for very long, but when done as a diagonal jump it's dummy active. Chains to: j. / j.

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j.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	High	9	-	-	-
A big ol double handed swipe.

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j.

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	High		-	-	-
A roundhouse kick that covers tons of space and, most most importantly, is active for approximately 4 years. Like most attacks bound to Saki's HK button, it rules.

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Command Moves

+

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Mid		-	-	-
A quick chop that (thankfully) doesn't hit overhead. Has a good chain line but awful range. Chains to: > > > HP and HK may be swapped

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+

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	Mid		-	-	-
A midrange elbow strike, looks like it should hit overhead but is just a mid.

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+

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
-	High	18	-	-	-
A forward step kick. A very strong poke that rounds out her powerful options off of the HK button. Slow startup but will hit from downtown, which is wild because it has incredible chain options. Chains to: /

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Special Moves

Tetsu

+

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
		Mid		-	-	-
A dashing claw swipe attack that's mostly used in combos due to its lack of safety on block.
		Mid		-	-	-
The preferred version of Tetsu, moves her more forward and does more damage. You will use this as OTG pickups and confirms into Mizuchi.
+		Mid		-	-	-
The EX version has invincibility until the first active frame, making it usable on defense.
+		Mid		-	-	-
SECRET (Super Flash): Same number of hits and damage as the HP version, but with the screen freeze and invincibility properties of the EX version. Is also a good deal safer than all other versions of the move, but it can't be cancelled into and it won't come out if you're in range for Ren or have meter for an EX Tetsu.

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Ryou

+

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
		Mid		-	-	-
An advancing flip kick kind of move. Good horizontal range, and it becomes invincible to lows from frame 1. Due to all the time Saki spends airborne during this move's animation, it can be difficult to punish, but the risk/reward ratio on this move doesn't lend itself to just throwing it out in neutral.
		Mid		-	-	-
Same amount of hits, but goes further.
+		Mid		-	-	-
The EX version does more damage, and is a fantastic juggle combo ender.
+ or		Mid		-	-	-
SECRET (Super Flash): A lot like EX Ryou, but with the exception that it has a much higher hit count and a low damage scaling value, which leads to it dealing dino damage -- in particular the LP+HP+HK version. It's very risky to throw out, but if you can manage to get all the hits, it'll be worth the effort.

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Sen

+

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
		Mid, High		-	-	-
A two-hit special that looks a lot like an autocombo of st.LP into f+HP, except it knocks down. The second hit is an overhead, and it's only slightly minus on block, which makes it hard to punish outside of fast EX specials or supers. That said, it's got pretty short range, so it's hard to use in neutral.
		Mid, High		-	-	-
The HP version hits four times compared to the LP version's two hits, so the HP version is mostly used for super cancels on the third hit

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Shoku

+

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
		Mid	12	-	-	-
Upkick special move. Has no horizontal range, slow startup, and a pretty poor hitbox in general, relegating its use mostly to situational combos. It is invincible until active, which is a long time but...too long of a time thanks to the startup.
		Mid	15	-	-	-
Even more startup, but hits three times.
+		Mid		-	-	-
The EX version is much more useful on defense and even on offense, thanks to its 0F startup after superflash. If you catch someone out of the air with this, you can link a second EX Shoku afterwards.

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Ren

cl. +

Version	Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
		N/A	1	-	-	-
A command grab, something that doesn't go unappreciated. All have 1F startup with no whiff animation (though you'll often whiff Tetsu, which isn't exactly ideal), with each version dealing different amounts of damage.
		N/A	1	-	-	-
A little more damage, but no additional range. Seeing how the startup is the same it's best to go for this.
+		N/A	1	-	-	-
Big ol damage, but still no range increase. Being able to throw someone for 25% health isnt something to sneeze at, but with how meter hungry Saki is she can find better uses for it elsewhere.

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Guard Cancels

Guard Cancel

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
Uses Saki's 6LP. Not particularly useful, thanks to its poor range.

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Guard Cancel

File:AVG2 Saki clHK.jpg

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
Uses Saki's cl.HK. Not a terrible idea thanks to its high reward on hit, but Saki generally has better guard cancels to be using.

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Guard Cancel

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
Uses Saki's LP Ren. Incredibly useful, since it's a command grab with no whiff animation. This means that you'll get an instant command grab when in range, and when guard cancelling from outside Ren's range, Saki will simply maintain her blocking animation while becoming briefly invincible. This can potentially lead to larger punishes that make up for the meter spent on the guard cancel.

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Guard Cancel

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
Uses Saki's LP Sen. Pretty much completely outclassed by her HP guard cancel for the reasons outlined above.

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Super Moves

Houmura

+ (Air OK)

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
	Mid		-	-	-
Saki jumps into the air before throwing out a massive pillar of fire a few steps in front of her. This super can also be performed in the air, where it becomes significantly faster on startup. The pillar is air-unblockable and deals a ton of damage, so while this super isn't used as often as Mizuchi, it's still useful in certain juggle combos as well as the occasional anti-air.

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Mizuchi

+

Damage	Guard	Startup	Active	Recovery	FrameAdv
	Mid		-	-	-
A flipkick that leads into a devastating follow up hit. The final hit of this super deals fixed damage, and is the primary reason why Saki's damage is as high as it is. Only used in combos, but is incredible for that purpose.

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