Capcom vs SNK 2/Geese

Introduction

Overview

Strategy

Combos

Matchups

Health (at Ratio 2)
15200	Very High
Stun
70	Average
Dash Length
15 Frames	Short
Dash Type
Slide	Corpse Hop=No, Proj. Hop=No
Run Speed
7.2	Slow
Roll Distance
140 pixels	Long
Roll Duration
28f	Long
Wakeup Speed compared to Ryu
1f	Below Average

Story

Geese Howard is the infamous villain of the Fatal Fury franchise. Born in South Town, he is the son of a poverish American woman and an Austrian terrorist. Geese's father immediately abandoned him. Once he came of age, Geese worked many jobs to support his mother. Eventually, his mother's health started failing, and she would come to pass when Geese was 15. Enraged at the fact that his very wealthy father never aided them, Geese hunted him down. He found his fathers name, Rudolph Krauser von Stroheim, and would hunt him down in Austria to assassinate him. He was stopped, however, by his half brother Wolfgang Krauser. Humiliated by defeat, Geese quickly learned that power ruled over all. He took to training in martial arts, and started to study under a master named Tung Fu Rue. Tung Fu Rue trained Geese and two other students, Jeff Bogard (who would become Terry's adoptive father) and Cheng Sinzan. The three became known as The Three Brothers of Godly Battle.

Geese could never shake his obsession with power however. Tung Fu Rue knew this, and instead passed the secrets of his martial arts to Jeff Bogard. Enraged, Geese left the dojo, overthrew the local crime bosses, and became the mastermind behind organized crime in South Town. With more and more money flowing in, he started his own business, Howard Connections. He uses this money to fund his plots for revenge and also begin the first ever King of Fighters tournaments, which he used to find new recruits. Geese would eventually start his road to revenge by killing his old training partner and friend, Jeff Bogard, right in front of his two adoptive sons Terry and Andy. The two brothers would chase Geese for years, and eventually put an end to his life by tossing him off the roof of his tower... twice.

Gameplay

Geese is a ridiculously damaging rushdown character. Often ranked in the top tiers or just outside of it, Geese has the ability to rack up damage like nobody else can, and crush guard bars into dust. His infamous Deadly Rave gives him some of the highest damage potential in the game from almost any starter. Great normals for brawling allow Geese to control the close range and threaten massive damage. His neutral isn't entirely anything to scoff at either, with a useful fireball in Reppuken and a few solid normals. His various Atemi counters allow him to call out careless move usage for big damage and a mixup, and while he lacks any sort of reversal without meter, his level 3 Raging Storm is an incredible reversal when he has it. Even if you do end up landing a hit on him, he has one of the highest health values in the game, allowing him to take a few hits and keep going.

Geese can still struggle in some situations however. He's quite tall and somewhat slow, meaning he struggles to escape potent rushdown without calling it out with a mash or counter. His neutral isn't bad, but he lacks any solid ranged poke, and his best anti-air is 2HP which lacks any invinciblity or a knockdown. Geese often has to commit to an approach to maximize his potential, which can be very risky. Still, he has every tool required for this, especially in K-Groove where he truly excels.

Groove Selection

Best - K: It can be hard to justify playing any Geese besides K-Geese. K-Geese has everything he could ever want and more. Just Defend gives Geese a solid and safe way to deal with mindless button pressing in neutral, and thanks to his very stable and damaging combo potential with Jaeiken and Deadly Rave, it often makes the opponent hurt a lot more than they would hurt you. Run and hop give him scary mixup potential that loops into itself as well. Rage makes Geese a true nightmare, giving him access to 80% damage combos and two-touch guard crush strings. If you can get in while Raged with Geese, the round may very well be over, as even without Rage getting Geese off of you is difficult. Lack of a roll basically means nothing, as Geese has no powerful roll cancels, and JD makes up for the lack of it anyway.

Useful - N/P/A: N-Geese is a bit of a lesser K-Geese. He maintains run and hop, with the added benefit of roll. While Geese doesn't need roll, it does give him access to RC Double Reppuken, which is a solid tool overall. A big benefit of N-Geese is that he can utilize Max Mode as if it was a weaker on-command Rage. By waiting until a good moment to capitalize, N-Geese can guarantee having a Deadly Rave to make the punish hurt, while K-Geese can't. Still, Rage is much scarier overall, and without JD Geese struggles a lot more on defense and in neutral. P-Geese is an obviously useful pick, as parries live and die by how well you can punish, and Geese can punish very well. Parries work like a more potent JD as well, giving you all the same strengths but being even more likely to get you a punish. The downside is that you'll rarely have a Deadly Rave to make that punish do good damage, and you lose the guard crush ability. A-Geese gets to use powerful Custom Combos, and he can utilize them fairly well. Roll and Alpha Counter are appreciated defensive tools as well. Custom Combo just doesn't match up in damage to a Raged Deadly Rave cancel however.

Worst - C/S: C-Geese gets very little that A-Geese doesn't get, and A-Geese isn't that good either. While being able to sit on a level 3 for as long as you want is quite nice, Geese gets nothing from a level 2 since level 2 Raging Storm isn't fully startup invincible. If it was, C-Geese would likely be a lot better. He also doesn't abuse level 2 cancels very well, with level 2 Raging Storm into a level 1 Raging Storm being the only thing he really gets. S-Geese is not useful in any way really. Dodge is meaningless to him and his is fairly bad, level 1 Raging Storm isn't very good at all, and not having consistent access to level 3's cuts his damage in half.

Geese is a damage and guard crushing rushdown machine who shines when putting the opponent into scary close-range situations. He can end rounds quick using his powerful Deadly Rave super for massive damage. Arguably no other character synergizes with K-Groove like he does. Geese is best in K-Groove.
Pros	Cons
Damage: Geese has insane damage output, especially when in Rage, and can easily close out rounds with 2 or 3 solid hits Offense: With multiple ways to put the opponent in blockstun, crush guard, and mix opponents with scary hop mixups, Geese can solidly get in and stay in Zoning: Geese has solid zoning tools, with a good fireball and an air fireball, and a great anti-zoning tool with Double Reppuken Deadly Rave: Deadly Rave is a massive damage super with the ability to link into normals for even higher damage K-Groove King: Geese has everything he could ever want when he's in K-Groove, with JD's making him much better at dealing with keepaway, and Rage skyrocketing his damage Health: Geese has one of the highest health values in the game, meaning he can get hit a lot more than others and keep moving forward	Tall and Slow: Geese's mobility isn't the greatest, and he's quite tall. This makes him subject to a lot of pressure that others simply avoid, especially when crouching No Reversal: Without spending a lot of meter for level 3 Raging Storm, which would usually better be spent on a Deadly Rave, Geese lacks any sort of reversal Zoned Out: Like any rushdown, Geese can lack a solid aggressive answer to zoning, and while he can use Double Reppuken it isn't guaranteed or very rewarding

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Normal Moves

Far Normals

5LP

Far Jab
Standing Light Punch
5LP / Far LP

Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
300	4	RF/SP/SU	H/L	H/L	3	4	6	13	+7	+7	None
This is pretty good as far as standing jabs go but it's sort of overshadowed by his low jab as most characters can duck this. One way to use this move is if you know that someone is performing a jump-in parry/just defend, I use this move to take the parry or JD then you can retaliate in some other way like run behind and low fierce in the case of a JD or to do a low fierce/counter right after in the case of a parry

5MP

Far Strong
Far Medium Punch
5MP / Far MP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Far	1000	10	SP/SU	Mid	High	5	9	14	28	0	0	None
Geese strikes with a palm. Cancellable into specials and supers. Has some decent reach for a standing normal, making for some decent use as a whiff punish or a way to stuff forward movement or laggy buttons.

5HP

Far Fierce
Far Heavy Punch
5HP / Far HP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Far	1500	15	None	Mid	High	8	6	20	34	0	0	None
A beefy punch. One of Geese's farther reaching normals, though it can't cancel in trade for that reach. Still, it does decent single hit damage, making it a decent whiff punish at longer ranges.

5LK

Far Short
Far Light Kick
5LK / Far LK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Far	500	5	SU	Mid	High	4	4	14	22	-3	-3	None
Geese kicks at the opponents legs. Not a low, despite looks. Surprisingly good range, and would likely be a great light check if it could cancel to specials. Still is a pretty good light check, but landing this gets you basically nothing. With meter however, this is one of your longer range confirms into Deadly Rave, and the cancel isn't too hard if you do it as a negative edge. At just around tip range, even Deadly Rave won't combo, so watch for that.

5MK

Far Forward
Far Medium Kick
5MK / Far MK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Far	1000	10	None	Mid	High	8	8	17	33	-5	-5	None
Geese kicks out around the opponents chest. Despite looks, this isn't really a great ranged poke, as many of Geese's better pokes outrange it, like 5LK, 2MK, and 5HP. Without a cancel window either, this has very little purpose in neutral. It does shrink Geese's lower hurtbox, which lets it work as a low crush.

5HK

Far Roundhouse
Far Heavy Kick
5HK / Far HK

First Hitbox

Second Hitbox

Foot Invuln Endlag

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Far	1400	14	None	Mid	High	18	8	19	45	-3	-3	Foot (Recovery Frames)
Geese lunges forward with an axe kick. The gorilla Geese agenda, moves you very far forward and is only -3 at worst, meaning the opponent can't punish it. While it does have invuln on Geese's feet in the end, the rest of the move doesn't have this, so if you spam this a good opponent will just snipe you with a 2MK > Super combo. If you're fighting a P/K-Groove player they can also just parry/JD for an even bigger punish. Use sparingly, as when it works it really works, but when it doesn't it really doesn't.

clLP

Close Jab
Close Light Punch
cl.LP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Close	300	4	RF/SP/SU	H/L	H/L	3	4	6	13	+7	+7	None
Identical to the far version. Still a solid jab but also still crouchable, meaning you would still rather use 2LP for a majority of things.

clMP

Close Strong
Close Medium Punch
cl.MP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Close	1000	10	SP/SU	Mid	High	4	8	14	26	+1	+1	None
Geese hits a quick upward palm. Useful as a meaty or pressure normal thanks to being +1, and hit meaty it can be even more plus. Outside of that, doesn't really work for much. Geese's cl.HP has the same startup speed, so you would rather punish with that. Not a great anti-air despite looks either.

clHP

Close Fierce
Close Heavy Punch
cl.HP

File:CVS2 Geese cl.HP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Close	1400	14	SP/SU	Mid	High	4	11	24	39	-9	-9	None
Geese quickly strikes with two palms. Your main normal for linking off of lights and cancelling into Jaeiken and Deadly Rave, and also a great raw punish starter on it's own. The hitbox is pretty beefy, so mixed with the fast startup, this tends to stuff a lot of mashing up close. Links from 2LP, 5LP, 2LK, and cl.LK allowing you to both combo and blockstring off of all of Geese's lights except 5LK into MK Jaeiken.

clLK

Close Short
Close Light Kick
cl.LK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Close	500	5	RF/SP/SU	Mid	High	2	4	6	12	+7	+7	-
Geese quickly knees the opponent. Amazing light normal, with lightning fast startup, massive plus frames to easily link into cl.HP both on hit and on block, and can't be crouched under. Great to start pressure or blockstrings, or as a quick punish when they're very close. Also Geese's highest damage light, so it's seen often after Deadly Rave. Instead of ending Deadly Rave in the usual 214HP input, you can end on the HK input, and you're plus enough to link into this and then link into cl.HP > MK Jaeiken for much higher damage.

clMK

Close Forward
Close Medium Kick
cl.MK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Close	1000	10	None	Mid	High	8	8	17	33	-5	-5	None
Identical to 5MK.

clHK

Close Roundhouse
Close Heavy Kick
cl.HK

First Hitbox

Second Hitbox

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Close	900+700	9+7	SP/SU*	Mid	High	4	3(4)6	16	33	+4	+4	None
Geese kicks upward and then follows with a kick to the chest. A bit of an odd normal that doesn't see much use. The first hit is fairly good as a close anti-air thanks to the high reach, and if it hits you can cancel into MP Reppuken to meaty them on landing. It can be crouched under however, limiting it's use as a meaty. The second hit cannot be cancelled, but to make up for that, it also can't be crouched and is +4 on block. This really doesn't mean much however, as the pushback limits a lot of what Geese can do, and without a cancel there just isn't much purpose for it.

2LP

Crouch Jab
Crouching Light Punch
2LP / cr.LP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
+	300	3	RF/SP/SU	Mid	Mid	3	4	5	12	+8	+8	None
Geese does a punch low to the ground. Stellar 2LP, massive plus frames and spammable to make for solid pressure. Running in and repeatedly doing these can be pretty oppressive. Often you'll use this after a crossup j.MK for a bit of damage increase, either to their health bar or their guard bar. Easy link into cl.HP as well, especially on counterhit, making this a solid move to fish for counterhits. Great for mashing as well thanks to the fast startup and decent hitbox. Only real downside is the low damage, but outside of Deadly Rave links, that won't matter too much.

2MP

Crouch Strong
Crouching Medium Punch
2MP / cr.MP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
+	1100	11	SU	Mid	Mid	7	7	14	28	-1	-1	None
Geese chops at the floor. Decent reach, but only cancels into supers. You can link this after two 2LP's, though it's a pretty tight link. Your highest damage medium normals as well, so if you need the punish, starting with this is optimal when in range. You'll still rarely use this though.

2HP

Crouch Fierce
Crouching Heavy Punch
2HP / cr.HP

First Hitbox

Second Hitbox

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
+	1300,1100	13,11	SP*/SU	Mid	High	3	9	27	40	-12	-12	None
Geese uppercuts high into the air. Your primary anti-air normal, and a pretty solid one overall, though it lacks the invincibility of things like DP's. Outside of anti-airs, this is a frame faster than cl.HP, so in situations where the opponent won't be punished by cl.HP you can use this instead. You can also use this for easier links if you struggle with linking into cl.HP, though it does sacrifice damage.

2LK

Crouch Short
Crouching Light Kick
2LK / cr.LK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
+	400	4	SP/SU	Low	Low	3	4	7	14	+6	+6	None
Geese kicks at the opponents feet. Geese's main low mixup, though it doesn't cancel into itself like other 2LK's do. This isn't too bad, as it does link into both cl.HP and 2HP for combo confirms or safe blockstrings for guard crush. You can even just run in and do another, though it isn't quite as good at this as 2LP is due to only being +6 instead of +8. +6 is still nothing to scoff at though. It also makes up for no self-cancel by having surprisingly decent range for a 3 frame low, making it a very useful move to annoy opponents in close range with quick lows, though it can't combo to anything without a link or a Deadly Rave.

2MK

Crouch Forward
Crouching Medium Kick
2MK / cr.MK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
+	1000	10	SP/SU	Low	Low	4	7	14	26	+1	+1	None
Another low kick like 2LK. Decent range for a Geese normal, making it a great poke. Works after longer 2LP strings and is an easier link than 2LP too. Confirms into Deadly Rave at all ranges as well, and thanks to the very fast startup, this is a stellar way to punish into big damage. Doesn't combo into anything else sadly, but it is plus, making a cancel into MP Reppuken a bit harder to escape than other 2MK > Fireball strings.

2HK

Crouch Roundhouse
Crouching Heavy Kick
2HK / cr.HK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
+	1400	14	SP/SU	Low	Low	6	4	35	45	DWN	-15	None
A long reaching sweep kick with a cancel window. Geese having a cancellable sweep is a great tool, but this does come with a price in the form of massive endlag. If you don't whiff this, you can cancel into MP Reppuken for safety on block without sacrificing much if it does hit. On hit, you get a knockdown, which is great as it lets you run in and meaty for a guard crush string or a combo. This also works as a surprise low after some blockstrings, especially in the corner where the pushback isn't as harsh. However at longer ranges, no cancel is fast enough to be a true blockstring, letting them reversal or roll through whatever you do.

j.LP

Jump Jab
Jumping Light Punch
j.LP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
//+	600	6	None	High	High	5	24	0	29	Varies	Varies	None
Geese sticks out his hand to smack the opponent. Standard j.LP, though a bit slower than most. Decent hitbox makes it a nice air interrupt, but otherwise you won't use this much.

j.MP

Jump Strong
Jumping Medium Punch
j.MP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
//+	1100	11	None	High	High	5	10	0	15	Varies	Varies	None
Geese sticks his arm out in front of him. Decent air-to-air with a high hitbox, though j.HK outranges it horizontally. This does make it a better rising air-to-air, but you would rather 2HP for anti-air most of the time.

j.HP

Jump Fierce
Jumping Heavy Punch
j.HP

First Hitbox

Second Hitbox

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
//+	800+900	8+9	None	High	High	5	4(4)4	0	21	Varies	Varies	None
Geese strikes downward twice. If both hits connect this is his highest damage jump-in, but combos off of it are a bit more difficult than j.HK. It can also work as a double overhead, but the timing for this can be a bit strict... unless done from a hop. This can be a very annoying overhead mixup off of a hop because of that, and it makes for a stellar confirm into Deadly Rave for huge damage.

j.LK

Jump Short
Jumping Light Kick
j.LK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
//+	600	6	None	High	High	5	22	0	27	Varies	Varies	None
Geese kicks his leg out and leaves it there for a while. Would be a useful air-interrupt like j.LP, but the hitbox is a bit too low. Instead, it's a fast instant overhead, especially from a hop.

j.MK

Jump Forward
Jumping Medium Kick
j.MK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
//+	1000	10	None	High	High	5	12	0	17	Varies	Varies	None
A move with an identical animation to j.LK. Instead of being an IOH though, it's Geese's main crossup, and a very good one at that. Setting this up after a knockdown is very rewarding, as if it hits Geese gets a combo, and if it gets blocked Geese gets a great guard crush string. Mixing this up on knockdowns with a meaty j.HK is great in general for a mixup.

j.HK

Jump Roundhouse
Jumping Heavy Kick
j.HK

First Hitbox

Second Hitbox

Diagonal Jump

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
+	1300	13	None	High	High	8	7	0	15	Varies	Varies	None
Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
/+	1300	13	None	High	High	5	8	0	13	Varies	Varies	Neutral j.HK is a move very similar to 5HK, and diagonal j.HK is a far reaching kick. With nj.HK, it can be a useful neutral jump air-to-air, but you usually won't use it much. Diagonal j.HK is likely the main move you'll use during a jump, as it is both a great jump-in and a solid air-to-air with long reach. While both hits of j.HP together do more damage, you usually won't get both hits, making this a much more consistent jump starter for damage.

Command Normals

Fudo Kassatsuriken

Fudo Kassatsuriken
6HP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
+	1600	16	SP/SU	Mid	High	14	10	20	44	DWN	-4	None
Geese steps forward before striking down with an elbow. Great reach and an immediate knockdown on hit makes this a rewarding punish tool, and on block it's very safe and can cancel into MP Reppuken for solid pressure and great guard crush. In general this is very useful for guard crush strings, though the long startup means it can't be done as a true blockstring, so the opponent can always reversal or roll through. Still, if the opponent is respecting an option like cl.HP, it does a lot more guard damage. It can also be useful as a poke in general, though it does have a lot of whiff recovery. You can also get a bit greedy in blockstrings with this by walking slightly forward after they block something like MP Reppuken and doing this to catch a mash or jump, and once they respect that, you can walk all the way in and throw them.

Throws

Shinkuu Nage

Shinkuu Nage
Punch Throw
Near Opponent, 4/6HP

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Close /+	1900	0	None	Grab	Grab	3	1	13	17	DWN	Grab	None
Geese's iconic command grab, now downgraded to just a standard grab. Faster of his two throws, like all punch throws are, but throws them very far away making it hard to get okizeme midscreen. The faster startup makes it better for punishes, but you would almost always rather use his kick throw for the stellar knockdown and damage.

Toraya

Toraya
Kick Throw
Near Opponent, 4/6HK

Version	Damage	Stun	Cancel	Guard	Parry	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Invul
Close /+	2200	0	None	Grab	Grab	5	1	13	19	DWN	Grab	None
Geese slams the opponent over his shoulder. Great damage and an amazing knockdown makes for a very rewarding throw overall. A slight microwalk backwards allows you to easily set up a crossup j.MK safejump. Slightly slower than his punch throw, but this makes tick throws from Geese's very plus 2LP a bit easier, so that can almost be a benefit outside of punish situations.

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