Rising Thunder/Talos

Overview

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Playstyle

Talos is a grappler who can use his command throws to armour through opponents moves.
Pros	Cons
Has one of the most straightforward mixups in the game between ground and air command grab. Has access to the best non-dp anti-air in the game. Excellent damage Can counterpick specials in bad matchups	Poor defence, relies on armour. Has no 5 frame button. Damage is locked behind risky options. Super can't be used to beat other supers.

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Health: 1100

Stun: 1050

Backdash: 28f (invun 1-10)

Initial Dash: 22f (run 15~)

Normals

cl.L

close s.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
35	Mid (Whiffs crouching)	50	Spc/OD/KA	6	2	7	15	6	4	-
Cancelable into Light attacks. Mediocre normal, since its slower then all other cl.l normals and doesn't convert into anything more then f.l without S3.3 or OD, despite its good advantage on hit

cl.M

close s.M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
70	Mid	100	Spc/OD/KA	9	3	15	27	air flip	-2	-

cl.H

close s.H

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
close s.H	95	Mid	150	Any	11	4	22	37	-3	-7	-
This is your main DP punish when it doesn't push you too far on block. Unlike boot, this doesn't scale the rest of the combo, and leads to some of Talos' biggest damage. It is also cancelable into any ground attack except itself, which allows for utility such as cancelling into S1.1 for tick throws, 'reverse-beat' into f.l to stay, and boot to catch backdashes/jumps.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
close s.H (alt)	85	Mid	100	Any	11	4	24	39	-5	-9	-
Same properties as the first version, but slightly different frame data. This is what you get if you cancel cl.h into itself.

f.L

far s.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
35	Mid	50	Spc/OD/KA	7	2	8	17	5	3	-
Alright keep-out tool, althought forshadowed by f.m. however it has its uses if using S3.3 since f.l > S3.3 > S3.3/OD is an actual hitconfirm. It can also be used for tick throws in offense, and allows for good resets at the end of combos.

f.M

far s.M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
75	Mid	100	OD/KA	8	3	13	24	3	0	-
Talos' best poke for grond control. Only 1 frame slower then f.l and excellent recovery and range for its speed, it makes for a great tool to challenge ground approaches to encourage jumps. It'ss biggest issue, tho, is that it provides no reward what so ever, not even using KA

f.H

far s.H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
110	Mid	200	OD/KA	12	5	21	38	-3	-7	-

cr.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
35	Mid	50	Spc/OD/KA	7	2	8	17	5	3	-
cancelable into Light attacks

cr.M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
70	Low	100	Spc/OD/KA	9	3	16	28	0	-3	-
Decent range low that also converts into S3.3, giving it good use in neutral. not very useful otherwise

cr.H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
105	Low	150	KnAdv	10	4	22	36	sweep	-7	-

dj.L

diagonal j.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
55	High	50	Special	6	15	-	-	-	-	-
Biggest highlight of this normal is its whooping 15 active frames. This makes it very good for meaties and rewarding combos/pressure on block. You'll use this a lot after knockdowns

dj.M

diagonal j.M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
85	High	100	None	7	10	-	-	-	-	-

dj.H

diagonal j.H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
105	High	200	None	8	7	-	-	-	-	-
long range, high damage and great active frames make this a good jump in that can hit deep. not much more then that because it takes time to startup and very inclined downwards.

nj.L

neutral j.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
55	High	50	Special	6	15	-	-	-	-	-
Stop sign. Very quick air to air with great range and good active frames, you can even stuff some approach if you do it low to the ground.

nj.M

neutral j.M

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Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
85	High	100	None	7	10	-	-	-	-	-

nj.H

neutral j.H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
105	High	200	None	8	7	-	-	-	-	-

B+M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
70	Mid	100	Spc/OD/KA	10	4	22	36	-7	-10	-
pulls opponents inward

F+H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
115	Mid	150	KnAdv	15	4	27	46	wall bounce	-12	-
The boot. armored during frames 1-15, so it can function as a semi-reversal that is not liimited by cooldown. It's a good tool to use and take turns when you expect an opponent to mash. Its long reach also make it good to beat backdashes; Tho, it applies 50% damage/dizzy/meter reduction as combo starter so the reward is underwhelming at times, is very unsafe on block and has a slow startup, so overusing this is a very bad idea.

j.D+M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
85	High	100	None	7	12	-	-	-	-	-
125% gravity during first 20 frames

j.D+H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
105	High	200	None	8	7	-	-	-	-	-
crossup air attack

Throws

Forward Throw

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
55+55	Unblk	50+0	KnAdv	5	3	27	35	-	-	-
Slower then the command grab, not as damaging and just as bad to whiff, tho its not limited by cooldown. Can convert into a combo with KA6, simillar to uncharged S1.1.

Back Throw

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
135	Unblk	150	None	5	3	27	35	-	-	-

Air Throw

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
60+60	Unblk	125+0	None	5	3	-	-	-	-	-
Actually pretty useful in combos, since Talos can juggle a f.l afterwards and either go into knockdown with S3.3 or get a reset into S1.1/boot mix.

Specials

S1.1

Meteor Breaker Charge

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Meteor Breaker Charge	-	-	-	Other	3	-	-	90	-	-	-
Chargeable until frame 90; transitions into Quick Meteor Breaker after frames 3-24 and Charged Meteor Breaker after frame 25; dash-cancelable after frame 5; armored after 25 frames; auto-faces opponent. You will be using this stance to bait mashing during mixups while setting up a charge command grab.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Quick Meteor Breaker	100+75	Unblk	100+0	KnAdv	4	3	53	60	grd bounce	-	-
The fast version of the command grab. Deals very good damage, and can combo using FA6 if you can't get a charged version.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Charged Meteor Breaker	150!+75	Unblk	150!+0	KnAdv	4	3	53	60	grd bounce	-	-
(armor disabled after 7 frames). One of the things that make Talos scary. Extremely high damage, and converts meterlessly for very high damage, using meter can allow you to extend it even further. in conjuction to the charged stance, it can be used in mash-safe mixups

S1.2

Meteor Slam

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
150	Unblk	100	None	6	2	57	65	knockdown	-	-
a command grab with more defensive uses: it can't be charged and cannot be be a combo starter, even with KA, but its armored during frames 3-8, so it can be used to steal turns during pressure. It also boosts a smaller cooldown, but this is less significant since in the case of S1.1, its cooldown would already replnenish by the time the combo it started ends. Probably the worst pick in this slot, and only worth if you're running a set using KD, since KA is so essential for S1.1.

S2.1

Titan Smash Charge

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Titan Smash Charge	-	-	-	Other	3	-	-	90	-	-	-
chargeable until frame 90; transitions into Quick Titan Smash after frames 3-24 and Charged Titan Smash after frame 25; armored after 25 frames; dash-cancelable after frame 5; auto-faces opponent. Works identically to S1.1 charge stance, and since its also visually identical, an opponent will have to guess between the two versions in the given setups.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Quick Titan Smash	150!	Unblk	150!	KnAdv	4	5	36	45	tumble	-	-
Dedicated anti air hitgrab. Deals very high damage, and is KA-cancellable simillar to S1.1. This gives it a lot of utility in combos. It's also a strong mixup tool in conjuction to S1.1. Usually, the two specials will be paired together in sets.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Charged Titan Smash	225!	Unblk	200!	KnAdv	4	5	36	45	wall bounce	-	-
Armor disabled after 9 frames. Charged version allows for a meterless conversion, and deals massive damage. While this is strong, its also much less practical to land then charged S1.1. Still very useful regardless.

S2.2

Titan Wreck

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
135!	Unblk	150!	None	6	3	41	50	backslide	-	-
Simillar to S1.2 in that it sacrafices its utility with KA and can't be charged, but is armored during frames 3-8, so it has the potential to interrupt jump ins and thus leaves a generous window to use. Is the better pure the anti air, given the armor combined with a better hitbox, but you're sacraficing important combo routes and mixups. Although, due to being so good at its job, its not as situational as S1.2. autofaces opponent during frames 1-6

S3.1

Magnetic Buster

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Magnetic Buster	85	Mid (Whiffs airborne)	100	Spc/OD/KA	15	5	14	34	6	2	-
The one special you're never going to use. It has decent range, and is plus on block along with a vacuum effect, but it doesn't hit airborne opponents at all, and Talos' frame data is too slow to utilize the advantage it provides on hit. It doesn't even have nearly as much utility iin combos as S3.2.pulls opponents inward; cancelable into S1 and S2
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Clothesline (S3v1/v3)	100	Mid	100	KnAdv	12	4	32	48	sweep	-15	-

S3.2

Magnetic Snare

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Magnetic Snare	100!	Mid (Whiffs standing and crouching)	125!	Spc/OD/KA	15	5	12	32	air flip	-	-
An excellent combo tool that pulls opponents towards you, and is special cancellable. You will use this to extend your combos inconjuction to S2.1, as well as resets into boot/S1.x mixups. It's got a good hitbox for anti airing, tho its not nearly as good as the S2.x specials. It's also Talos' only move that can combo into OD during air juggles. You'll be using this for offensive, mixup-oriented playstyle sets.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Snare Clothesline (S3v2)	125!	Mid	100!	KnAdv	18	4	32	54	sweep	-15	-
Combo ender, decent way to get a knockdown.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Snare Colossal Crush (OD)	325!	Unblk	0	None	5+12+0	3	60	80	grd bounce	-	-
can grab opponents in ground and air hit stun (but not block stun)

jS3.1

Aerial Magnetic Attract

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
70	Mid	100	None	12	5	-	-	-	-	-
pulls opponents inward; can attack/block after 2 landing frames, and walk after 4 frames

S3.3

Spartan Rush

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
75	Mid	100	OD/KA	12	8	14	34	1	-3	-
A very useful move in Talos' arsenal, which sadly has to compete with the amazing S3.2; A strong footsies as it is an advancing, highly active, safe on block move, as well as a great tool that can converts off of many normals that Talos otherwise gets no reward from, such as 2m and f.L. Leads into a knockdown with its followup so its fairly rewarding, and can combo into OD on grounded opponents

jS3.3

Aerial Spartan Rush

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
75	Mid	100	None	12	8	-	-	-	-	-
can attack/block after 8 landing frames, and walk after 10 frames

OD

Colossal Crush

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
325!	Unblk	0	None	5+0+0	2	60	67	grd bounce	-	-
Strongest hitting OD in the game, also being a command grab that is unescapable post-flash, and can be comboed into for massive damage at the end of combos. However, sadly, its not a very notable or versitile OD in the game otherwise: has the least invul frames all of all ODs, extremely long recovery and small range make it very risky and hard to use defensively, and has no real use other then a big combo ender.

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