Street Fighter V/Juri

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About Juri

Unique Mechanic

Before Juri can access her Fuharenkyaku Release (236K) moves, she needs to use that version of the attack to gain a stock first. The next time she performs that move, she will instead use the Fuharenkyaku Release. The LK version is a slow moving fireball, the MK version is an jumping attack that leads to longer combo opportunities, and the HK version is a forward moving attack used mostly as a combo ender. The Fuharenkyakus she has stocked can be seen next to her V-Gauge; LK is the first icon, MK the second, and HK the third. In V-Trigger 1, she always has access to the stocked versions

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Juri
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Life Points	975
Stun Points	1000
V-Gauge Points
V-Trigger 1	2 Bars
V-Trigger 2	2 Bars
Ground Movement
Forward Walk Speed	0.05
Backward Walk Speed	0.033
Forward Dash Speed	16
Backward Dash Speed	24
Forward Dash Distance	1.443
Backward Dash Distance	1.25
Backdash CH Frames	3-10
Jumping
Back Jump Speed	46 (4+38+4)
Neutral Jump Speed	46 (4+38+4)
Forward Jump Speed	45 (3+38+4)
Forward Jump Distance	2.09
Backward Jump Distance	1.824
Throws
Throw Hurtbox	0.25
Throw Range	0.8

SFV Frame Data Glossary
Active	How many frames a move remains active (can hurt opponents) for.
Attack	Attack level is L for low attacks (must be blocked crouching), H is for High attacks (which can be blocked high or low) and M for overhead (must be blocked standing). T is for throw attacks (which cannot be blocked).
Cancel options	Available cancel options. "ch": Chain cancel, refer to description for options. "sp": Special move. "su": Critical art. "vs[1/2]": V-Skill 1 or 2. "vt[1/2]": V-Trigger 1 or 2 activation.
Confirm windows	Hit confirm windows written as Specials & CAs/Target Combos/V-Trigger. Notation may denote V-Skill only cancel windows in Specials. Refers to the amount of time (in frames) you have to cancel into another move from the moment the attack connects with the opponent.
Crush Counter	Crush Counter hit advantage written as opponent state, frame advantage, and v-gauge gain on hit.
Damage	Attack damage on hit. Notation may denote multi-hit or "sweet spot" damage values on certain frames.
Hit/Block	These are frame advantage values when the attack hits or is blocked. If the number is positive, then the move will end before the defender can act again. If the number is negative, the defender will be able to act before the attacker and maybe even punish. KD refers to knockdown on hit. Note that generally, normal counter hits add an additional +2 to hit advantage in SFV.
Knockdown	Knockdown advantage against Normal, Quick Rise and Back Rise wake up options.
Recovery	How many frames it takes for a move to finish after it's been active.
Startup	How many frames it takes before the move becomes 'active' or have a hit box. The last startup frame and the first active frame are the same frame, meaning all values are written as Startup + 1.
Stun	Amount of stun added to the opponent's stun bar on hit.

Normals

Stand LP

Stand LP
5LP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
3	2	7	4
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
30	70	H	2
Cancel options: ch sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Chains into st.LP / cr.LP / cr.LK

Stand MP

Stand MP
5MP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
5	3	11	5
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
60	100	H	2/-1
Cancel options: sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Slightly increased horizontal hitbox range while in V-Trigger

Stand HP

Stand HP
5HP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
8	3	17	4/KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
80	150	H	-3/-6
Cancel options: sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Hit Confirm notes: *VT1 Chains Knocks down during V-Trigger (see KDA numbers)

Stand LK

Stand LK
5LK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
4	4	8	4
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
30	70	H	1
Cancel options: sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2

Stand MK

Stand MK
5MK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
5	1(1)3	15	1
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
40*30 (70)	70*30 (100)	H*H	-4/-7
Cancel options: sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Hit Confirm notes: *VT1 Chains, **Second hit only Only first hit is cancelable Second hit does 60 damage / 100 stun if the first hit whiffs Cancelable into Super on 2nd hit during V-Trigger 1

Stand HK

Stand HK
5HK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
14	3	5+15	1
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
80	150	H	-4/-7
Cancel options: vt1 vt2 Hit Confirm notes: *Only during VT1, **VT1 Chains Airborne on frames 15-21 (airborne on the last 2 active frames) Hops over a lot of low attacks on frames 10-22

Crouch LP

Crouch LP
2LP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
4	3	6	4
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
30	70	H	2
Cancel options: ch sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Chains into st.LP / cr.LP / cr.LK

Crouch MP

Crouch MP
2MP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
6	3	16	2/4
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
60	100	H	0/-1
Cancel options: sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Hit Confirm notes: *VT1 Chains Different advantages when chained into during V-Trigger than usual (bonus hit advantage and less minus when chained into than the other buttons)

Crouch HP

Crouch HP
2HP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
10	2	21	3
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
90	150	H	-5/-8
Cancel options: sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Hit Confirm notes: *VT1 Chains Forces standing on hit Slight low profile on frames 8-9 before active frames 20 less damage on air opponents (70)

Crouch LK

Crouch LK
2LK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
3	2	10	2
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
20	70	L	0
Cancel options: ch vt1 vt2 Chains into st.LP / cr.LP / cr.LK

Crouch MK

Crouch MK
2MK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
6	2	14	2
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
50	100	L	-2/-5
Cancel options: sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Hit Confirm notes: *VT1 Chains

Crouch HK

Crouch HK
2HK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
8	2	23	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
100	150	L	-12/-15
Cancel options: vt1 vt2 Hit Confirm notes: *Only during VT1, **VT1 Chains Low profiles on frames 4-25

Jump LP

Jump LP
8LP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
4	5	-	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
40	70	M	-
Cancel options: -

Jump MP

Jump MP
8MP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
6	4	-	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
60	100	M	-
Cancel options: - Puts airborne opponents into a limited juggle state Juggle Limit / Increase / Start: 1 / 2 / 2

Jump HP

Jump HP
8HP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
9	5	-	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
90	150	M	-
Cancel options: -

Jump LK

Jump LK
8LK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
4	7	-	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
40	70	M	-
Cancel options: - Can Cross-up

Jump MK

Jump MK
8MK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
7	5	-	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
60	100	M	-
Cancel options: - Can Cross-up

Jump HK

Jump HK
8HK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
8	5	-	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
90	150	M	-
Cancel options: - Causes a spiked knockdown while in V-Trigger 1

Command Normals

Senkaikyaku

Senkaikyaku
6MK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
22	2	19	0
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
60	100	M	-7
Cancel options: - Throw invincible on frames 16-21 (not actually airborne)

Korenzan

Korenzan
4HK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
7	2(7)3	15	4
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
40*40 (80)	75*75 (150)	H	-2
Cancel options: sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 First hit forces stand on hit Both hits can be special / V-Skill canceled Only second hit can be V-Trigger cancelled

Target Combos

Kyoretsushu

Kyoretsushu
5MP > 4or6HP

File:SFV Juri 5MP 4or6HP.png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
5+8	3	25	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
60*54 (116)	100*90 (190)	H	-12
Cancel options: sp su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Launches opponent into a limited juggle state Can only cancel into specials, super, and V-Skill on Block

Enkushu (air)

Enkushu (air)
8MP > 8HK (air)

File:SFV Juri 8MP 8HK (air).png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
6+5	5	-	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
60*63 (123)	100*90 (190)	M	-
Cancel options: -

Throws

Chisenkyaku

Chisenkyaku
Throw
LPLK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
5	3	17	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
120	120	T	-
Cancel options: -

Kaeikyakyu

Kaeikyakyu
Back Throw
4LPLK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
5	3	17	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
140	200	T	-
Cancel options: -

Special Moves

LK Fuharenkyaku Store

LK Fuharenkyaku Store
236LK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
10	3	18	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
30	30	H	-2
Cancel options: vs2 vt1 vt2 Projectile hitbox Projectile invincible on extended limbs during animation Increased horizontal range when canceled into from stand LP / crouch LP

MK Fuharenkyaku Store

MK Fuharenkyaku Store
236MK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
10	3	18	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
30	30	H	-2
Cancel options: vs2 vt1 vt2 Projectile hitbox Projectile invincible on extended limbs during animation Increased horizontal range when canceled into from stand LP / crouch LP

HK Fuharenkyaku Store

HK Fuharenkyaku Store
236HK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
10	3	18	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
30	30	H	-2
Cancel options: vs2 vt1 vt2 Projectile hitbox Projectile invincible on extended limbs during animation Increased horizontal range when canceled into from stand LP / crouch LP

LK Fuharenkyaku Release

LK Fuharenkyaku Release
236LK

Normal

V-Trigger 1

Normal	Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
	14	90	23	2
	Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
	50	80	H	-2
Cancel options: su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Can be chained into any other QCF+K release Projectile invincible on extended limbs on frames 13-16 Changes properties while in V-Trigger 1 (see V-Trigger 1 version for that info)
VT1	Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
	14	90	25	KD
	Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
	30*30 (60)	50*50 (100)	H	-1
Cancel options: su vs1 vs2 Launches opponent into a limited juggle state (but only further Fuharenkyaku cancels juggle in time afterwards) Can be chained into any other QCF+K release Spends 800 V-Timer (~30% V-Timer)

MK Fuharenkyaku Release

MK Fuharenkyaku Release
236MK

Normal

V-Trigger 1

Normal	Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
	23	2	19	6
	Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
	70	80	H	-4
Cancel options: vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Airborne on frames 10-24 Projectile invincible on extended limbs on frames 22-24 Can be chained into any other QCF+K release
VT1	Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
	23	2	19	6
	Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
	70	100	H	-4
Cancel options: vs1 vs2 Airborne on frames 8-22 Can be chained into any other QCF+K release KDA data refers to when used after QCF+HK Spends 600 V-Timer (~22% V-Timer)

HK Fuharenkyaku Release

HK Fuharenkyaku Release
236HK

Normal

V-Trigger 1

Normal	Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
	10	2(14)2	21	KD
	Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
	40*50 (90)	70*80 (150)	H	-6
Cancel options: su vs1 vs2 vt1 vt2 Projectile invincible on extended limbs during active frames Can be chained into any other QCF+K release Forces stand on hit
VT1	Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
	10	2(14)2	21	KD
	Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
	40*50 (90)	70*100 (170)	H	-6
Cancel options: vs1 vs2 Can be chained into any other QCF+K release Spends 600 V-Timer (~22% V-Timer) Forces stand on hit

EX Fuharenkyaku

EX Fuharenkyaku
236KK

File:SFV Juri 236KK.png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
7	2(17)2(12)2(20)2	15	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
35x4 (120)	40x3*30 (150)	H	-2
Cancel options: vt1 vt2 Throw invincible on frames 54-63 Projectile invincible on extended limbs during active frames

LP Tensenrin

LP Tensenrin
623LP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
7	3(2)2	22	2
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
40*40 (80)	75*75 (150)	H	-3(-8)
Cancel options: su Throw invincible on frames 1-8 Second hit cannot hit crouch -8 on block on crouching opponents

MP Tensenrin

MP Tensenrin
623MP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
6	3(2)2(3)2	21+16	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
40*35*45 (120)	50x3 (150)	H	-29
Cancel options: - Invincible to airborne strike attacks on frames 1-8 Small hurtbox on frames 1-2 Airborne on frame 8 Can hit cross-up (behind Juri) on frame 7 (2nd active frame) Juri is in counterhit state during move duration

HP Tensenrin

HP Tensenrin
623HP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
7	2(2)2(2)2(2)2	21+16	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
30x4 (120)	30x3*60 (150)	H	-32
Cancel options: - Strike and Projectile invincible on frames 3-8 Airborne on frame 9 Can only hit crossup attacks on frames 15-16(4th hit) Juri is in counterhit state during move duration

EX Tensenrin

EX Tensenrin
623PP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
7	2(2)2(2)2(2)2	20+18	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
30*10x3*90 (150)	20x3*30*110 (200)	H	-31
Cancel options: - Completely invincible on frames 1-12 Airborne on frame 9 Can only hit crossup attacks on frames 15-16(4th hit) where she is extremely high in the air Juri is in counterhit state during move duration and takes 20% additional damage from the first hit (total of 144%)

LK Ryodansatsu

LK Ryodansatsu
214LK

File:SFV Juri 214LK.png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
19	3	24	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
70	150	H	-6
Cancel options: su vt1 vt2 Airborne and lower Body Projectile invincible on frames 4-17

MK Ryodansatsu

MK Ryodansatsu
214MK

File:SFV Juri 214MK.png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
20	3	24	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
80	150	H	-6
Cancel options: su vt1 vt2 Airborne and lower Body Projectile invincible on frames 5-19

HK Ryodansatsu

HK Ryodansatsu
214HK

File:SFV Juri 214HK.png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
25	3	24	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
100	200	H	-6
Cancel options: su vt1 vt2 Airborne and lower Body Projectile invincible on frames 5-23

EX Ryodansatsu

EX Ryodansatsu
214KK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
25	3	20	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
80	150	H	-2
Cancel options: vt1 vt2 Airborne on frames 5-23 Projectile Invincible on frames 1-27 Launches opponent up into a limited juggle state

Critical Art

Sakkai Fuhazan

Sakkai Fuhazan
214214K

File:SFV Juri 214214K.png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
9	20	58(68)	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
330	0	H	-25
Cancel options: - Completely invincible on frames 1-9 Breaks armor Travels almost fullscreen Attack property is fully projectile (no strike attribute) 10 extra frames recovery on whiff and block (68f)

Taunts

Taunt

Taunt
5PPPKKK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
-	-	61	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
-	-	-	-
Cancel options: -

V-System

V-Skill 1

Kasatsushu

Kasatsushu
MPMK (VS1)

File:SFV Juri MPMK (VS1).png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
46	2	25	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
80	150	H	-10
Cancel options: vs1 Hits cross-up Crouching hurtbox on frames 5-16 Builds 80/40 V-Gauge on hit/block This level 1 version of Juri's V-Skill requires no charging (but Juri doesn't start the attack until after 12 frames of prior crouching animation) Charging for level 2 V-Skill takes a minimum of 33 frames Juri's level 1 V-Skill can be canceled during startup by inputting V-Skill again after 12 frames or via a dash after 20 frames of charging Huge horizontal hitbox during active frames with no extended hurtboxes

Kasatsushu (hold)

Kasatsushu (hold)
MPMK (VS1) (hold)

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
80	15(16)2	33	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
20*80 (100)	50*150 (200)	H	-18
Cancel options: vs1 Hits in front and then cross-up True blockstring between the 2 hits Crouching hurtbox on frames 5-74 Builds 100/50 V-Gauge on hit/block Projectile invincible during active frames on 1st hit (until Juri reaches the opponent before the 2ndary cross-up hit) This level 2 version of Juri's V-Skill requires to charge V-Skill for a minimum of 33 frames After charging for a minimum of 33 frames Juri can cancel the animation with a dash to store the level 2 V-Skill for later use Holding Juri's V-Skill buttons for the full duration automatically starts up this level 2 version of her V-Skill Juri's V-Skill can be canceled during startup by inputting V-Skill again after 12 frames or via a dash after 20 frames of charging

Kasatsushu (release)

Kasatsushu (release)
MPMK (VS1) (release)

File:SFV Juri MPMK (VS1) (release).png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
10	15(16)2	33	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
20*80 (100)	50*150 (200)	H	-18
Cancel options: vs1 Hits in front and then cross-up True blockstring between the 2 hits Projectile invincible on frame 6 and throw invincible on frame 10 and until Juri reaches the opponent Builds 100/50 V-Gauge on hit/block This level 2 version of Juri's V-Skill requires to charge V-Skill for a minimum of 33 frames After charging for a minimum of 33 frames Juri can cancel the animation with a dash to store the level 2 V-Skill for later use Juri's level 2 V-Skill (release) can be canceled during startup by inputting V-Skill again after 4 frames of startup

Kasatsushu (charge)

Kasatsushu (charge)
MPMK (VS1) (charge)

File:SFV Juri MPMK (VS1) (charge).png

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
33	-	16(24)	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
-	-	-	-
Cancel options: dash vs1 Crouching hurtbox on frame 5 and onward The startup frames refer to the amount of frames required to charge for in order for Juri to store up a level 2 V-Skill The recovery frames refers to Juri's dashes that she needs to use to charge and store up level 2 V-Skill for later use

Kasatsushu (cancel)

Kasatsushu (cancel)
MPMK (VS1) (cancel)

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
12(4)	-	25	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
-	-	-	-
Cancel options: - The startup numbers refer to the amount of V-Skill startup frames required to play out before they can be empty-canceled into V-Skill again The (X) number refers to the amount of level 2 V-Skill startup frames required to play out before Juri can cancel the level 2 version of her V-Skill (level 2 V-Skill can be canceled faster than level 1 V-Skill)

V-Skill 2

Fuha Enzan (charge)

Fuha Enzan (charge)
MPMK (VS2)

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
-	-	50	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
-	-	-	-
Cancel options: - Juri charges up for a projectile (projectile comes out by pressing MP+MK again after this charge) Cancelable into from special cancelable moves Juri is NOT in a Counter-Hit state during this charge up

Fuha Enzan (release)

Fuha Enzan (release)
MPMK (VS2) (release)

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
18	74	27	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
50	80	H	-2
Cancel options: - 1-hit Projectile Projectiles takes up a large horizontal space and moves slowly forward Juri steps forward before releasing the projectile Projectile persists on screen for 74 frames before it dissipates Builds 60/30 V-Gauge on Hit/Block Juggle Limit / Increase / Start: 0 / 1 / 1

V-Trigger 1

Feng Shui Engine Alpha

Feng Shui Engine Alpha
HPHK (VT1)

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
1	-	5	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
-	-	-	-
Cancel options: - 2 bar V-Trigger Duration of 2700 frames (45 seconds) Allows both grounded and air normals to chain into one another from light > medium > heavy order (cannot chain cancel the other way around) at the cost of 300 V-Timer (~11% V-Timer) All air normals get increased juggle potential and put airborne opponent into a limited juggle state Enables derivative Fuharenkyaku (qcf+K) attacks without charge (doing this consumes V-Timer) while also improving their properties Dash distance increased

V-Trigger 2

Feng Shui Engine Beta

Feng Shui Engine Beta
HPHK (VT2)

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
9(8)	5(3)	31	5(2)
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
70	150	H	2(-1)
Cancel options: - 2 bar V-Trigger Duration of 750 frames (12.5 seconds) Grants all stocks on activation Juri emits a small radius around her that drains opponents EX gauge while both players are grounded Drains 60 EX Gauge per second from the opponent (1/5th of an EX bar per second) Frame advantage can vary depending on spacing (Juri is more + on hit if the strike hitbox hits on later active frames due to spacing) Framedata in the parentheses refers to the data on the initial non-strike hitbox that pulls in the opponent (has different properties than the actual strike hitbox on frame 9) The actual strike hitbox is on frame 9 but there is a hitbox on frame 8 that pulls in the opponent towards Juri (does not pull in airborne opponents) Can be counter-hit during startup

V-Shift

V-Shift

V-Shift
5MKHP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
1	9	22	-
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
-	-	-	-
Cancel options: - Shifts back 1.237 range Fully invincible on frames 1-9 during which time any strike or projectile evaded will trigger a slow-motion effect on frame 11 for both players Immediately gains full invincibility for the full duration of V-Shift if you successfully evade a strike or projectile on start-up frames 1-9 Throw invincible on frames 1-16 on an empty / raw V-Shift Counter-Hit state on frames 10-31 on an empty / raw V-Shift Opponent can still cancel the attack that was V-Shifted as if it had connected (this allows for a lot of shenanigans) Costs 300 V-Gauge (1 bar) to use and refunds 150 V-Gauge back (1/2 bar) on a successful V-Shift if the slow-mo is triggered If the V-Shift is successful you can cancel it into a follow-up attack (see V-Shift Break) that's fully invincible and knocks the opponent down on hit

V-Shift Break

Kuboshu

Kuboshu
5MKHP

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
?	3	?	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
60	0	H	-2
Cancel options: - Fully invincible during startup and active frames

V-Reversal

Kaisenrenkyaku

Kaisenrenkyaku
6KKK

Startup	Active	Recovery	Hit
17	2	24	KD
Damage	Stun	Attack	Block
-	-	H	-2
Cancel options: - Strike and Projectile invincible on frames 1-31 on block (frames 1-32 on whiff) 1F faster overall (41F total) on block instead of whiff