SvC Chaos: SNK Vs Capcom/Guile

ガイル, Guile
Difficulty	Mostly Easy
Max Mode Needed?	Almost Useless
Tier Placement	Very Strong (A)
Standing Hitbox	?
Crouching Hitbox	Short

Introduction

"Go home and be a family man!" Guile' whose theme song apparently fits with everything, is a classic Street Fighter character from SFII: World Warriors. As the father of the Sonic Boom and Flash Kick, he's just as annoying of a turtle to deal with here as he is in Street Fighter, only further amplified by SNK's 30 frame charge times, making his turtling game even more infuriating in the right hands as his opponents lose their patience (and sanity).

Strengths	Weaknesses
Easy to learn, and straightforward Exceptional turtle game Forces players to be on top of their GCFS game Fast and rewarding Sonic Boom Can buffer charge motions during his dash A ton of useful anti-airs Exceed is very difficult to counter	Bad recovery on Sonic Boom Very unsafe anti-air supers Command moves are forgettable Max Mode hardly helps him Not suited for rushing the opponent

SVC Chaos: SNK VS Capcom Frame Data Glossary
Damage	How much damage the attack does. This takes into account no defense modifiers, so the damage assumes a 0% damage modifier, or in other words the average defense modifier of 223 against characters like Kyo and Ryu. Note: Damage is a little inconsistent. Example: Geese cl.A deals 5 damage. Against Zero, sometimes it does 5 pixels of damage to his life bar, other times it does 4 pixels. Against Ryu, cl.A does 4 pixels of damage, other times it does 3 pixels of damage. This info comes from the Enterbrain Mook, but most likely this is the cause of damage modifiers skewing the damage slightly, thus making it a bit inconsistent. Damage values listed are pulled from the SVC Chaos Enterbrain Mook, save Athena, Red Arremer, Serious Mr. Karate and Shin Akuma. It is listed because it's an official source for this info, just keep in mind damage is not 1-to-1 due to varying health values and screwy ways the game calculates damage anyways. There will be a question mark next to the four mentioned characters because it's only a guess as to what the actual damage values are (until health and damage are better understood), since they were never gathered in the Mook. Unfortunately, when doing attacks, the numbers dealt in damage do not match up with the mook. As an example, Geese's cl.C does 16 damage according to the mook, but against characters like Zero, it only does 14-15 damage, and very rarely it does 16 damage. Against Ryu, it does 12-13 damage at most. But against Orochi Iori, it also does 14-15 damage, and very rarely it does 16 damage. The mook does not explain how the numbers are obtained either, or against who they're tested against, if anyone. In other words, how these numbers were obtained if not through data mining is a mystery in itself, but it can be best assumed it was against 255 defense modifier characters, and at the max damage possible. Lastly, moves like Geese cl.D, though it says 10x2 for the damage, which is true, damage scaling reduces total damage on the second hit. Max Mode also reduces damage dealt by roughly half at most.
Counter Damage	How much damage the attack does on a counter hit, or when it connects with an opponent while they're performing an attack. Counter damage values listed are pulled from the SVC Chaos Enterbrain Mook, save Athena, Red Arremer, Serious Mr. Karate and Shin Akuma.
Guard	Where the attack hits, and thus where it must be blocked. Mids can be blocked standing and crouching Overheads must be blocked standing Lows must be blocked crouching Unblockable cannot be blocked Throws break through block up-close
Guard Crush	How much guard meter damage the attack does to the green Guard Gauge.
Stun	How many points of stun the attack adds to the opponent's invisible Stun Gauge.
Meter	How much meter is gained for performing/landing the attack. Special moves earn meter both when activated and when they connect with the opponent, whether it hits them or they block it.
Cancel	The type of cancel the attack can perform. Any - All cancel types work Ch - Chain cancel; it can chain into other attacks (mostly just lights) Self - Can chain only into itself Cmd - Command cancel; can cancel into command normals Sp - Special cancel; can cancel into special moves, and almost always this means super cancels are possible too Su - Super cancel; can cancel into super moves Free - Free cancel; can be cancelled in Max Mode by other special moves or super moves Written only for special moves as all normals can be Free Cancelled, so writing it in for every move would be redundant X - Cannot be cancelled, either outside of Max Mode or that it cannot be cancelled at all
Startup	How many frames it takes before the move becomes 'active' or has a hitbox. The SVC Chaos wiki uses classic startup notation, which does not include the first active frame. A move with 3 startup becomes active on frame 4. Super and Exceed startup will calculate both the frames before and after the super flash animation as such: X+Y, with X being the startup frames before the flash animation and Y being the startup frames after the flash animation. The startup will not take into account the frames of the flash animation itself where time freezes and the opponent player cannot act. Super flashes last 28 frames, whereas Exceed flashes last 27 frames. Because there is currently no way to view throw boxes, it is assumed that throws/command grabs are at most 0-1 frames of startup. Truthfully, we don't actually know though.
Active	How many frames a move remains active (can hurt opponents) for. Consecutive sets of active frames on a multi-hit move are separated by a comma. (Example: 3, 4 - The attack has its first hitbox for 3 frames, then the second hitbox for 4 frames) If there is a gap between sets of active frames, the gap is denoted by a number in parentheses. (Example: 3, (2), 4 - The attack is active for 3 frames, then is not active for the next two frames, followed by being active again for 4 frames.) Throw boxes are not visible either through dipswitches or the hitbox viewer so it's only a guess how active throws and command grabs are, but it's probably one active frame at most. This also applies to hitbox images - they will still show the push and hurtboxes of characters but outside of that, unfortunately there is no way to depict the throw boxes at the moment.
Recovery	How many frames it takes for a move to finish after it's been active.
Total	The total number of frames the attack lasts on screen for. This adds up the startup, active, and recovery frames into one number.
Hit/Block Adv	These are frame advantage values when the attack hits or is blocked. If the number is positive, then the move will end before the defender can act again. If the number is negative, the defender will be able to act before the attacker and maybe even punish. SKD refers to a soft knockdown, or a knockdown you can tech roll out of. HKD refers to a hard knockdown, one that you cannot tech roll out of. All frame advantages assume Ryu as the opponent. Each character has variable wakeup times, with Ryu having a 28 frame wakeup animation. Thus, on soft knockdowns and hard knockdowns, the frame advantage will be put in parentheses as it is different per character. It is only meant to give you a general idea of your exact frame advantage. Refer to each character's data at the top of the page for wakeup variables, however slight. Also assume that on soft knockdowns, the frame advantage is when the opponent does not tech roll. If needed, a second frame advantage will be added next to it for when they do tech roll. Frame advantages of projectiles assumes the opponent is point blank range. Any farther and this obviously changes and/or doesn't matter. Block advantage assumes no use of Guard Cancel Front Step. For one, it obviously decreases the attacker's frame advantage significantly. When the defender uses GCFS is also a variable factor so you cannot provide a hard answer as to what the frame advantage is after GCFS, as well as how soon they cancel GCFS into an attack. Generally speaking, just assume the block advantage minus the active frames of GCFS (18 frames), and that's a rough estimate of the frame advantage when GCFS is performed. Do keep in mind that GCFS technically has a slight delay when the dash is performed even if you register the input as early as possible. This doesn't really matter in most cases, since the attacker will automatically be quite minus after most attacks. It would only matter in situations where the attacker can punish GCFS attempts like with throws or multi-hit attacks, but even then, that's because the attacker canceled the blocked attack into another attack that the frame advantage of the blocked attack after GCFS no longer matters in that situation. All that matters, then, is the attack is cancelable at all.
Invulnerability	Indicates whether there's any frames of invulnerability during the attack.

Moves List

Normal Moves

Close Normals

cl/st.A

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
It's a punch. A regular A. Will whiff on small characters only. Good for poking, can chain into itself and most of the other Lights, and can be normal canceled.

cl/st.B

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Guile performs a very low kick, but it doesn't hits low(Unlike some other characters). Can be normal canceled, and can chain into the ground A normals(Only).

cl.C

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
An elbow. Can be normal canceled, but the cr.C is a better option for comboing(Thanks to Guile's charging moves).

cl.D

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Guile performs a kick, but upside-down. Can't be normal canceled, but Guile will go over low-hitting moves.

Far Normals

st.C

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
A straight punch. Can't be normal canceled, but you can use it to poke the opponent(It won't whiff against most of the cast).

st.D

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Guile walks forward and performs a kick with good reach. Better than the f.C in my opinion. Can't be normal canceled too.

Crouch Normals

cr.A

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Like the s.A, but better(You'll be charging during the move, that's why). Can chain into itself and most of the other Lights. Normally used to cancel into the Somersault.

cr.B

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
A kick that hits low. Can't be normal canceled, and you can't chain Lights into it, thanks to the long startup(Long when compared to other Lights). Anyway, it's possible to link/chain(Dunno which one) into the Light Punches.

cr.C

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
An uppercut, and a great move to anti-air! You can normal cancel it as well, which can help on your turtling game(You'll attack the opponent while charging).

cr.D

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Guile'sclassic double sweep. Each one will knock the opponent down, meaning that they won't connect. You can't normal cancel those two, but they are great for poking. This move is very unsafe on whiff, so don't abuse of it.

Jumping Normals

(n)j.A

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Overhead	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Neutral/Diagonal Jumping Attack Guile does a simple punch that won't do that damage. Can be used as an air-to-air move, it comes out very fast.

nj.B

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Overhead	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Neutral Jumping Attack A kick aiming up. It's useless, and I know you will use the Somersault instead(But if you miss the timing, and pressed B, you can end up getting this normal).

j.B

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Overhead	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Diagonal Jumping Attack Guile's j.B from the old games. It's like Ryu's, but it's harder to crossup with it(Depending of the opponent's character).

nj.C

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Overhead	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Neutral Jumping Attack A j.A, but with less active frames, and more damage. I don't think you'll use this.

j.C

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Overhead	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Diagonal Jumping Attack A chop that can be used to begin your combos. Does great damage and hitstun.

(n)j.D

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Overhead	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Neutral/Diagonal Jumping Attack You can use this move as a jump-in move(C is better), or as an air-to-air move, thanks to its reach.

Command Moves

Knee Bazooka
b/f.B

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
A (Kind of Tiger) knee. You can't cancel normals into it(No matter the mode), which is sad. But this move is important for punishing, because you can combo with any ground A after the hit. You can practice something like: b/f+B(Charge d during the move), cr.A(You can do 2 if you're on the corner), (After the charge) u+D. I think Guile can go over low moves with this move.

Rolling Sobat
b/f.D

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
This is a move for footsies. You can't cancel normals into it(Again, no matter the mode), but Guile will go over lows. The direction pressed will determine which direction Guile will move.

Slide Kick (cr.MK)
df.B

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Guile's cr.MK from the old games. You can't cancel normals into it(Outside of the Max Mode), and it can't be normal canceled(Again, outside of it), making it a great poking move.

Spinning Back Knuckle
f.C

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Classic move(It was Guile's f.C, I think). You can't cancel normals into it as well(Outside of Max Mode), but it can be max canceled into Special Moves(A very hard thing to do, I could cancel this move into the Somersault, and I don't even know how). Use it for poking. The A Sonic Boom > (Walk forward) > Spinning Back Knuckle still works here.

Special Moves

Sonic Boom (aka Sonic)

• Charge b, f+P - One of Guile's signature moves. You'll know how to use this projectile if you used Guile on any game. The button pressed will determine the speed of the projectile. If you're fullscreen away form the opponent, you can throw a A Sonic, walk forward, and wait for the opponent to do something. If he jumps, you know, just anti-air him/her with a cr.C. If he/she blocks/gets hit, you can use the f+C to get some more damage(You can superjump to begin a combo too, but the opponent will block the projectile, no matter what you try).

Somersault Kick (aka Flash Kick/Somersault)

• Charge d, u+K - Another signature move, and Guile's (main) anti-air(Main because it is the easiest to perform). There are some basic combos with it too. The D version will make Guile go higher, and does more damage.

Super Moves

Somersault Slash

• Charge db, df, db, uf+P(One of the strange inputs) - Damaging 10-hit move, can be used to anti-air(The Super below is better for that), and on combos(Better than the below), but it is unsafe on block. No difference between the versions. If you're having problems with the input, you can do: Charge db, HCB, uf.

Somersault Strike

• Charge db, df, db, uf+K(Yeah, it is annoying) - Guile's best anti-air. It does 8 hits, has a great vertical angle, does almost 50% damage(Of one bar), but it is unsafe on block, like the above. You'll probably save meter to use this move, because it is incredible. There is no difference between the two versions.

Total Wipeout

• Charge b, f, b, f+K(No problem with this one) - Guile will do a series of punches and kicks, doing 5 hits, and finishing with a Spinning Back Knuckle. This move is mainly used on combos, has some startup invincibility frames, and it is safe on block(Be happy).

Exceed

Sonic Hurricane
Charge [b]~f,b,f+AC

Damage	Counter Dmg	Guard	G. Crush	Stun	Meter	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Hit Adv	Block Adv	Invulnerability
-	-	Mid	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
Guile's Exceed, that would become his Critical Art on SFV. The Hurricane negates projectiles, does 13 hits, and it is Guile's most damaging move on this game. There are some easy confirms for it, so don't worry.

The Basics

Guile's gameplan

Guile is a turtling character, you probably know that. Most of the time, you'll be charging db/poking the opponent with the Command Moves/launching Sonic Booms. He isn't an offensive character, because he can't link many things(Which means, not many combo options, but his options are easy), and has almost no Max Mode options. Just know that you'll need to play on the defensive everytime during any match. Your best anti-airs are the cr.C(Easiest to perform, comes out fast, does good damage and has great angle, but has no invincibility frames), the Somersault(Not that hard to perform, does more damage than the cr.C, and has invincibility frames), and the vertical Super(Dangerous to perform thanks to the input, does great damage, and has invincibility frames). You can use his classic strategy too: Launch many A Sonic Booms from far away(You won't lose many projectile wars, so no worries), charge db as soon as possible, and if the opponent jumps over it, just Somersault him/her. That's it. Good luck on your matches.

Some Combos (Without Max Mode)
If you know more combos, you can share them here.

Links that you (maybe) need to know:

1- b/f+B, cr.A - 2 hits

This can be important for you(To add damage on your punish combos). It was mentioned before too. After the cr.A, you can do many things too. You'll see later.

Sonic Boom(Charge b, f+P) combos:

1- [Jump Attack](Charge db here) cr.C, (After the charge) f+C, f+C(Command Move; this part is corner only) - 3 hits; 4 with a Jump Attack

This is an easy combo. The A projectile won't connect due to the speed(I think it will connect against EQ).

2- (While fullscreen away) Charge b/db, f+A, walk forward, f+C - 2 hits

An easy and classic combo. That was mentioned before too. Remember that if the opponent jumps, you can do a cr.C to anti-air him/her.

3- (While fullscreen away) Charge b/db, f+A, Superjump forward/Dash forward and jump, Jump again(In case you need to), Jump Attack, begin your combo - More than 2 hits

This is to use just in case you stunned your opponent. The Sonic Boom does good damage here, so a little more damage for the combo can help, right?

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Somersault(Charge d, u+K) combos:

1- [Jump Attack(Will work only on the corner)] (Charge d/db here) cr.C, (After the charge) u+K - 2 hits; 3 with a Jump Attack

Probably the easiest thing to do with the Somersault. This combo is mainly for punishing.

2- [Jump Attack] (Charge d/db here) cr.A, (After the charge) u+K - 2 hits; 3 with a Jump attack

This can be your BnB. It's easy to do, does good damage, and you don't need to be on the corner to add a Jump Attack to the combo. On the corner, you can add another cr.A for more damage. You can try that.

3- [Jump Attack(I think that only the j.C will help you)] (Charge d/db here) cr.B, cr.A, (After the charge) u+K - 3 hits; 4 with a Jump Attack

A combo starting with a low. Can help you, but it's very hard to add a Jump Attack before it.

4- b/f+B,(Charge d/db during the move) cr.A, (After the charge) u+K - 3 hits

A great combo for punishing. It was mentioned before as well. Like the second combo, you can add another cr.A to get more damage, which is nice.

5- (Corner only; but near from the opponent) Charge db, f+A, (Charge db again), cr.C, (After the charge) f+A, (Charge db again) Dash, cr.A(2x), (After the charge) u+K - 6 hits

Not practical, but it is a cool combo. By using the Sonic Boom as a starter, you won't receive a push, which is good to know. On the last part, you'll need to dash, due to two things: The push(Thanks to the cr.C), and to buffer the charge(After the dash, you can continue charging with the cr.LPs). You won't use this combo on a match.

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Somersault Slash(Charge db, df, db, uf+P) combos:

1- [Jump Attack] (Charge d/db here) cr.A, (After the charge) df, db, uf+P(The shortcut is optional) - 9 hits; 10 with a Jump attack

Good combo. Basically, the things you can do with the Somersault Slash/Strike, are the same as the regular Somersault's, so I won't repeat combos here(Just go to the Somersault combo, and imagine this input instead of the regular one, and most combos will work).

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Somersault Strike(Charge db, df, db, uf+K) combos:

1- [Jump Attack] (Charge d/db here) cr.A, (After the charge) df, db, uf+K(The shortcut is optional) - 11 hits; 12 with a Jump attack

Same as the above, but better(On combos, Strike>>Slash. On the defensive, Slash>>Strike. Just remember that).

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Total Wipeout(Charge b, f, b, f+K) combos:

1- [Jump Attack](Charge db here) cl./cr.C, (After the charge) f, b, f+K - 7 hits; 8 with a Jump Attack

Useful combo. Easier than Somersault Slash/Strike combos, and it's damaging.

2- b/f+B,(Charge db here) cr.A, (After the charge) f, b, f+K - 8 hits

For punishing purposes. You can learn this one if you want. If you think that the Somersault punish is better, forget this combo.

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Exceed(Charge b, f, b, f+PP) combos:

1- [Jump Attack] cl./cr.C, Exceed - 14 hits; 15 with a Jump Attack

Probably the only way to confirm the Exceed(If Guile has another one, it won't matter, because this one will be the best). This is a combo that you need to know, because confirming your Exceed is the best thing you can do in SvC.

Advanced Strategy

Some combos (With Max Mode)
Guile doesn't have many Max Mode options(He can only cancel part of his Command Normals, and non-cancelable normals). But he has some good ones. If you want to add a combo, you can share it here. Sadly, Guile can't confirm his Exceed with Max Mode combos(In a better way than in the Normal Mode combo).

Combos with Command Moves

1- cr.C, f+C, (max cancel into), df+B, (Cancel again) f+C - 4 hits

One of the few combos I found. Dunno if this is the best one too, but it can do some damage(Something like 30% of one bar).

Somersault combos:

1- (Corner only) (Charge d/db) [Jump Attack], cr.A,(max cancel into) df+B, (After the charge, max cancel into) u+K - 3 hits; 4 with a Jump Attack

A cool combo, but it is corner only, which is sad. I think you can use b/f+B, to make the combo safer(Jumping is a very dangerous thing to do in SvC, depending of the opponent's character).