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hold d, do a quick backdash then hit up + B/D the instant you backdash. It's a real quick cancel and the timing is very hard but possible to do. Requires a lot of practice to get it down.   
hold d, do a quick backdash then hit up + B/D the instant you backdash. It's a real quick cancel and the timing is very hard but possible to do. Requires a lot of practice to get it down.   
===Video Lecture===
In-depth video lecture on Kain. Please use the timestamps to navigate the topics.
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===Matchup Notes===
===Matchup Notes===

Revision as of 08:47, 19 November 2021

Kain.PNG

Introduction

Kain is the final boss in Garou. He is uncle to Rock Howard, and runs the family business after Geese's death.

Pros Cons
  • Can Combo 2 S-Power Moves
  • Good Zoning Moves
  • Excellent Poking Normals
  • Low Stamina
  • Slow Special Recovery

Character Colors

Kaincolors.JPG

Move List

Esoterics

Frame Data Source : http://www13.atwiki.jp/garoumow/pages/32.html

Legend:

  • Hit Box: Area that will hit the opponent
  • Hurt Box: Area where you can get hit. A move is invincible if the Hurt Box is absent.
  • Throw Box/Range: Active throw frames and range. Your opponent will be thrown in this field if not in block or hit stun.
  • Projectile Box: Hit box on a projectile attack.
  • Guard/Counter Box: The Guard Box or Counter Box. This appears when blocking or using a counter move.
  • Push Box: Has no bearing on hurt/hit boxes. Just allows characters to not pass through each other.
  • Command = the input for the attack.
  • Start Up = How many start up frames a move/attack has.
  • Hit = When the attack hits.
  • Block = When the attack is blocked.
  • + signifies how many advantage frames the attacker has.
  • - signifies how many disadvantage frames the attacker has.
  • KD means the attack will knock the opponent down.

Close Standing Normals

St. Kof.lp.png
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
4 Mid 4 4 5 13
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
+6 +6 Chain / ◯ Chain / ◯ 4

Standing jab.

St. Kof.lk.png
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
7 Mid 5 4 11 20
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
+0 +0 4

St. Kof.sp.png
Garou Kain cl.C.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
10 Mid 8 3 24 35
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-6 -6 5

St. Kof.sk.png
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
5 x 3 Mid 9 1, 1, 3 30 44
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-12 -12 X X X 3 x 3

Far Standing Normals

Far Kof.lp.png
Garou Kain s.A.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
5 Mid 4 4 5 13
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
+6 +6 4

Far Kof.lk.png
Garou Kain s.B.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
7 Mid 5 4 11 20
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
+0 +0 4

Far Kof.sp.png
Garou Kain s.C-1.jpg
Garou Kain s.C-2.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
8, 8 Mid 12 2, 1 23 38
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-3 -3 ◯ (First hit only) ◯ (First hit only) ◯ (First hit only) 3, 3

Far Kof.sk.png
Garou Kain s.D-1.jpg
Garou Kain s.D-2.jpg
Garou Kain s.D-3.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
6 x 3 Mid 9 1, 1, 3 30 44
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-12 -12 X X X 3 x 3

Crouching Normals

Cr. Kof.lp.png
Garou Kain cr.A.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
4 Low 3 5 6 14
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
+4 +4 X X X 4

Cr. Kof.lp.png > Kof.lk.png
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
4, 5 Low 4 4 7 15
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
+4 +4 X X X 4, 4

Cr. Kof.lk.png
Garou Kain cr.B.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
6 Low 4 4 7 15
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
+4 +4 X X X 4

Cr. Kof.lp.png/Kof.lk.png > Kof.sp.png
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
4/6, 8 Mid 7 3 19 29
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-1 -1 X X X 4, 5

Cr. Kof.sp.png
Garou Kain cr.C.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
10 Mid 7 3 19 29
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-1 -1 X X X 5

Cr. Kof.sk.png
Garou Kain cr.D.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
10 Low 11 5 21 37
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD -5 X X X 5

Jumping Normals

Jump Kof.lp.png
Garou Kain j.A.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
6 High 5 6 - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
- - - - - 4

Jump Kof.lk.png
Garou Kain j.B.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
6 High 6 8 - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
- - - - - 4

Jump Kof.sp.png
Garou Kain j.C.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
10 High 9 6 - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
- - - - - 5

Jump Kof.sk.png
Garou Kain j.D.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
10 High 8 6 - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
- - - - - 5

Command Normals

St. Kof.lp.pngKof.lk.png
Garou Kain AB.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
6, 6 Overhead 23 3, 8 12 46
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-1 +5 X X X 3, 3

Cr. Kof.lp.pngKof.lk.png > Kof.sp.png
Garou Kain 2AB-1.jpg
Garou Kain 2AB-2.jpg
Garou Kain 2AB-3.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
10, 10 Mid 8, 6 4, 1 27, 36 39, 37
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-12, KD -6, -16 ◯ (2nd hit only) 6, 3
  • 1~6F upper body invincibility

Schwartz Stous
Kof.sp.pngKof.sk.png
Garou Kain CD.jpg
T.O.P. Attack
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
- Mid 18 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD -13 X X X 25

Kain's top move travels forward, covering a fair amount of distance and is good for one hit that knocks down your opponent. Besides doing a super, this is one of the most damaging moves you can finish a combo with.

Throws

Schwartzmont
B.png / F.png + Kof.sp.png
Garou Kain Grab.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
7 x 3 - 1 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
+78 - - - - -

Kain's normal throw.

Feint Cancels

F.png + Kof.lp.pngKof.sp.png
Garou Kain ForwardTaunt.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
- - - - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
- - - - - -

D.png + Kof.lp.pngKof.sp.png
Garou Kain DownTaunt.jpg
Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
- - - - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
- - - - - -

Special Moves

Schwarze Flamme
Charge B.png~F.png + Kof.lp.png/Kof.sp.png
B.png~F.png + Kof.lp.png Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
12 Mid 12 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-5 -5 X X X 8
B.png~F.png + Kof.sp.png Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
15 Mid 12 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
-14 -14 X X X 8, 5
Schwarze Panzer
Charge B.png~F.png + Kof.lk.png/Kof.sk.png
B.png~F.png + Kof.lk.png Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
18 Mid 13 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD -8 X X X 7
  • Cannot be broken with Kof.lp.pngKof.lk.png
B.png~F.png + Kof.sk.png Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
9-24 (17) Mid 22 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD -7 (-2) X X X 2 x 3, 3
  • Breakable with Kof.lp.pngKof.lk.png
Schwarze Lanze
Charge D.png~U.png + Kof.lk.png/Kof.sk.png
D.png~U.png + Kof.lk.png Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
12 (7) Mid, High 6 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD -4 (+11) X X X 7, 5, 7
  • Breakable with Kof.lp.pngKof.lk.png
  • 1~6F invincibility
D.png~U.png + Kof.sk.png Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
19 (5) Mid, High 6 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD -8 (+9) X X X 8, 5 x 2, 7
  • Breakable with Kof.lp.pngKof.lk.png
  • 1~5F invincibility

Super Moves

Himmlischer Steele
Qcf.pngQcf.png + Kof.lk.png/Kof.sk.png
S Power Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
26 - 13 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD +34 - - - 2 x 7
  • 1~4F Invincibility
P Power Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
35 - 9 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD +46 - - - 2 x 10
  • 1~4F Invincibility
Himmlischer Atem
Qcf.pngQcf.png + Kof.lp.png/Kof.sp.png
S Power Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
28 - 1 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD +8 - - - 15
  • 1~6F Invincibility
P Power Damage Guard Startup Active Recovery Total
54 - 2 - - -
Hit Adv Block Adv Feint Cancel Cancel on Hit Cancel on Block Guard Crush Value
KD +34 - - - 15, 8 x 2
  • 1~6F Invincibility

Combos

Anywhere

j.Snkc.gif,cr.Snka.gif+Snkb.gif, charge B.pngF.png+Snkb.gif
j.Snkc.gif, Standing Snka.gif/Snkc.gif,charge B.pngF.png+Snkb.gif
j.Snka.gif/Snkb.gif, cr.Snka.gif Snkb.gif, Snkc.gif,QCFx2+P

Corner only

Throw, charge D.pngU.png+Snkd.gif
Throw,QCFx2+Snkd.gif,charge D.pngU.png+Snkd.gif OR charge B.pngF.png+LK OR TOP Attack

Probably his most damaging combo, but getting the QCFx2+K super to connect can be a bit tricky, and the opponent can always escape your throw... Note: You MUST use the P-power super, the S-power version DOES NOT hit!

j.Snkc.gif/Snkd.gif,cr.Snka.gif Snkb.gif, HP xxQCFx2+LP,QCFx2+LK,charge D.pngU.png+Snkd.gif OR charge B.pngF.png+LK OR TOP Attack
j.Snkc.gif/Snkd.gif,cr.Snka.gif Snkb.gif, HP xxQCFx2+HP,charge D.pngU.png+Snkd.gif OR charge B.pngF.png+LK OR TOP Attack(1)
Jumping K,Standing HP-Feint->cr.Snka.gif Snkb.gif,QCFx2+LK,QCFx2+LK,charge D.pngU.png+Snkd.gif OR charge B.pngF.png+LK OR TOP Attack(2)
j.Snkc.gif or Snkd.gif,cr.Snka.gif Snkb.gif, HP,TOP Attack

(1)When in TOP, this combo does more damage than the one above if the TOP Attack is used to finish the combo.

(2)Jumping LK has a better chance for the full combo to connect than Snkd.gif.

Furthermore, for any of the corner combos, you can substitute j.Snkc.gif or Snkd.gif with a Jumping LP or LK if you prefer.

Basic Strategy

Kain can be both a keep away or rushdown character, but most people prefer his keep away style the most. Since Kain has the right tools to keep opponents guessing with both of his angled and horizontal projectiles.

Also his qcfX2 + A/C is a great anti-air, even while you're getting hit it usually ends up trading with the whatever move the opponent tries to do. If you want to rush with him you'll have to learn how to use the charge tricks, which make Kain seems like he never needs to charge.

Another thing with Kain is to learn what pokes beat what as well like all other characters. Kain has some great pokes from his stand A/B, even his stand D is a somewhat decent distant poke but has some recovery behind it. Just don't use it a lot or up close or you'll end up eating a super. Also use his d + AB into stand C on wake-up situations since it beats most wake-up specials and even sometimes supers if timed correctly. Kain's low dodge attack is a great wake-up move as well since sometimes its hard to see when he'll do it and it hits twice. If you do it just right on wake-up it leaves Kain pretty much safe from anything after it. Learn to break with his charge down, up + B/D consistantly as this is one of his main combo starters. It also helps you gain super meter when you might need more meter in certain situation. It's also a great poke as it beats most other specials and supers as well at times.

Use whiff Breaked Schwarze Lanze to build meter, it has a ridiculously low charge time and can be thus done in quick succesion.

Advanced Tactics

Comboing Crouching LK(B) into a LK(B) S. Lanze

The trick is to first land a D.png+Snkb.gif on them. Usually you can land about 2 at most to be able to combo afterwards in the corner. Mid screen you can only land 1 D.png+Snkb.gif on the opponent as 2 D.png+Snkb.gifs will cause the S. Lanze to whiff. Now for the method of doing it, same method for doing the Guard Cancel shortcuts. What you do is while the D.png+Snkb.gif hits them when they are in hit stun do a quick up then go back to D.png, after the D.png+Snkb.gif is done from its animation then hit Snkb.gif again. What happens is since you already started with a D.pngSnkb.gif you gained the charge needed for the S. Lanze from it. So when you do the U.png then D.png again then hit Snkb.gif it makes it so the move is able to combo afterwards. It does sound tricky but in reality its pretty simple, it gives you enough time to pull it off.

  • So just remember hit D.png+Snkb.gif, then U.png, back to D.png, then hit Snkb.gif again to combo into the move, you can also Break it afterwards but has to be done pretty quick.
  • Another way this can be understood is hit D.png+Snkb.gif, then U.png, then D.png+Snkb.gif. As long as you do this fast enough it should work unless you are out of range

So with this tool added to Kain's other options this really helps him in his corner game for mixups. Since most of Kain's moves are charges so most people don't except him to be able to combo into those moves from crouch attacks. With this trick also comes new combos that Kain can use in an actual match as well.

Guard Cancel Shortcuts

The whole Guard Cancel section explains how the shortcuts for GCs work so Kains is the same. Just have the charge of the move you want to do lets says any of his Charge Back then Forward+P or K (S. Flamme or Panzer). Charge it for a second then hit Foward then hit Back, or even Down-Back, again to JD the move you want to JD. After that just hit which move you want to pull off with P or K. It should Guard Cancel right when you hit the button you want with no problems. Also you can Guard Cancel his S. Lanze as well. Though there are 2 ways of doing it, I find the first method easier in certain situations. Charge Down then , either press Back or Down-Back to JD then hit Up+K right when you JD. The other method is jumping in but charging as you jump then before you land input Down, Up, then hit Back or Down-Back as you land then the button to Guard Cancel into it. Try both methods out and see which one works best for you.


Backdash Cancel

It's possible to cancel Kain's backdash into any of his specials/supers, that includes his TOP attack. The timing is pretty instant about a 2 frame window to input the special/super/TOP attack. So for instance if you want to cancel his charge kick hold d, u + B/D during the backdash, you would need to do it as:

hold d, do a quick backdash then hit up + B/D the instant you backdash. It's a real quick cancel and the timing is very hard but possible to do. Requires a lot of practice to get it down.

Video Lecture

In-depth video lecture on Kain. Please use the timestamps to navigate the topics.

Matchup Notes

To come.

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