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Neutral

Important Pokes

5MP is Lily's best space controlling button. It has amazing range and a very disjointed hitbox, but is not cancellable which makes it vulnerable to Drive Impact. It does recover reasonably quickly though, and will recover in time to counter Drive Impact when pressed from a +3 situation or better.

2HP has slightly less range than 5MP and is slower, but is cancellable which provides a lot of strong options on block or hit. When done close enough it hits twice, which makes reacting to Drive Impact relatively easy.

4HP has slightly less range again, and is also slower. An important detail about this move is that Lily doesn't lean forwards during the startup. This means it can be used to challenge things like various characters' 2MK at a range where the opponent would score a counter-hit against the startup of Lily's other normals.

5HP. Whiff punish. Crumple. Drive Rush into combo. Enough said.

2MP is a solid counter-poke. It doesn't have a whole lot of range, but it's relatively fast and has a very good hitbox. Whiff it in front of the opponent and buffer a cancel into 236236P. If the opponent walks into it, presses a button, or tries to Drive Impact, the Super comes out for a big punish.

Offense

Frame Traps

Light Chains

Lily has great reach on her light punches. A typical light chain starts with 5LK for speed or 2LK for the low, followed by 1 or 2 light punches, typically 2LP due to having better range and less pushback.
2LP and 5LP do not form a true blockstring, which makes them vulnerable to being perfect parried or reversaled mid-string. On the other hand they will catch an opponent trying to jump or backdash out of a potential grab.
A 3-hit chain can be easily confirmed on hit into 236KK, 236236P, Windclad 236MK/LK, or DR~5LP.
A 2-hit chain usually stays close enough to cancel into 623P for a meterless combo.

Button > Condor Wind

2HP is the best for this as it has the most blockstun. 2HP > 214PP is a true blockstring and one of the safest ways to generate stocks. Another true blockstring option is DR~2HP/4HP/6HP > 214MP.
To avoid using gauge, Lily can play a guessing game with the opponent between cancelling into 214LP or 214MP/HP. Both options are unsafe, but the ways to punish them are different and do not usually overlap.
2HP > 214LP is a staggering -25 on block which makes it safe against Drive Impact, but punishable by basically anything else.
2HP > 214MP/HP counters most things that would punish 214LP, but is vulnerable to Drive Impact and invincible moves.

Condor Spire

Non-Windclad Condor Spire can be spaced to have the advantage on block. In particular, 2HP > 236LK is +1 on block if 2HP connects at maximum range.
The OD version is fast with a lot of reach, which makes it practical to throw out raw from the right range.
The heavier versions are generally too slow to get away with outside of combos.

Non-OD Windclad Spire is almost always +1 on block. Lily can frame trap opponents who mash with 5LK, her only 4f option. She has to condition her opponent not to mash first before she can command grab them.

OD Windclad Spire is almost always +2 on block. Lily's throws will beat mashing here, which lets her lean on them a bit more heavily. OD Windclad Spire also beats projectiles and Drive Impact at all distances, making it better suited for neutral.

Okizeme and Mixups

TO-DO

Knockdown Advantage: all scenarios assume that opponent will Back Rise midscreen when possible, unless otherwise stated

Knockdown	KD Adv.	Oki/Notes
Forward Throw	+?	?
Back Throw	+?	?
2HK	HKD +? HKD +? (Punish)	?

vs. Burnout

Lily can have an airtight combo using her Wind Charges against an opponent in burnout. By using 5LK 5LP into Light or Medium Condor Spire with Wind Charge Only your opponent cannot even use a Super or Reversal to get out of her pressure, and if they press a button it always net you a counter hit.

Drive Rush

When cancelling a normal into Drive Rush on block and following it up with another normal, there may be an interruptible gap in the blockstring. The following table lists these blockstring gaps when performed at the fastest possible timing.

Gap Value	Meaning
0	True Blockstring (no gap) if input with fastest button timing; can still lose to Drive Reversal
1 to 4	Small blockstring gap; opponent can interrupt with an invincible reversal; a 4f gap can trade with 4f normal attack
5+	Large blockstring gap; opponent can interrupt without an invincible attack
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Drive Rush Cancel - Blockstring Gaps
	5LP	5MP	5HP	5LK	5MK	5HK	2LP	2MP	2HP	2LK	2MK	2HK
5LP~DR	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?

The following table lists the general BnB combo routes when cancelling a button into Drive Rush on hit.

Drive Rush Cancel - Combo Routes
Starter	Hit Adv.	Combo Route
5LP	+?	?

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Anti-Airs

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 == Neutral ==
 === Important Pokes ===
+'''5MP''' is Lily's best space controlling button. It has amazing range and a very disjointed hitbox, but is not cancellable which makes it vulnerable to Drive Impact. It does recover reasonably quickly though, and will recover in time to counter Drive Impact when pressed from a +3 situation or better.
+'''2HP''' has slightly less range than 5MP and is slower, but is cancellable which provides a lot of strong options on block or hit. When done close enough it hits twice, which makes reacting to Drive Impact relatively easy.
-=== No Stores ===
+'''4HP''' has slightly less range again, and is also slower. An important detail about this move is that Lily doesn't lean forwards during the startup. This means it can be used to challenge things like various characters' 2MK at a range where the opponent would score a counter-hit against the startup of Lily's other normals.
+'''5HP'''. Whiff punish. Crumple. Drive Rush into combo. Enough said.
-=== Yes Stores ===
+'''2MP''' is a solid counter-poke. It doesn't have a whole lot of range, but it's relatively fast and has a very good hitbox. Whiff it in front of the opponent and buffer a cancel into 236236P. If the opponent walks into it, presses a button, or tries to Drive Impact, the Super comes out for a big punish.
 == Offense ==
 === Frame Traps ===
 ===== Light Chains =====
-Lily has great reach on her light punches, which compensates for her lacking reach in the light kick department. Her most common way to throw together a light chain is to start with 5LK for speed or 2LK for the low and chain into a light punch. Unfortunately, she only gets a meterless combo after two lights if she has a Windclad stock, which limits the third chained light's effectiveness in pressure.
+Lily has great reach on her light punches. A typical light chain starts with 5LK for speed or 2LK for the low, followed by 1 or 2 light punches, typically 2LP due to having better range and less pushback.<br>
+LP and 5LP do not form a true blockstring, which makes them vulnerable to being perfect parried or reversaled mid-string. On the other hand they will catch an opponent trying to jump or backdash out of a potential grab.<br>
+A 3-hit chain can be easily confirmed on hit into 236KK, 236236P, Windclad 236MK/LK, or DR~5LP.<br>
+A 2-hit chain usually stays close enough to cancel into 623P for a meterless combo.
 ===== Button > Condor Wind =====
-'''2HP''' is the best for this as it has the most blockstun. Lily can play a guessing game with the opponent between cancelling into 214LP to stay somewhat Drive Impact safe or 214MP/HP to try and push them out/punish mashing. Unfortunately, '''2HP > 214LP''' is a staggering -25 on block, making it incredibly dangerous. Most other buttons Lily has have less blockstun, making it more unsafe.
+'''2HP''' is the best for this as it has the most blockstun. '''2HP > 214PP''' is a true blockstring and one of the safest ways to generate stocks. Another true blockstring option is '''DR~2HP/4HP/6HP > 214MP'''.<br>
+To avoid using gauge, Lily can play a guessing game with the opponent between cancelling into 214LP or 214MP/HP. Both options are unsafe, but the ways to punish them are different and do not usually overlap.<br>
+'''2HP > 214LP''' is a staggering -25 on block which makes it safe against Drive Impact, but punishable by basically anything else.<br>
+'''2HP > 214MP/HP''' counters most things that would punish 214LP, but is vulnerable to Drive Impact and invincible moves.
 ===== Condor Spire =====
+'''Non-Windclad Condor Spire''' can be spaced to have the advantage on block. In particular, '''2HP > 236LK''' is +1 on block if 2HP connects at maximum range.<br>
+The OD version is fast with a lot of reach, which makes it practical to throw out raw from the right range.<br>
+The heavier versions are generally too slow to get away with outside of combos.
 '''Non-OD Windclad Spire''' is almost always +1 on block. Lily can frame trap opponents who mash with '''5LK''', her only 4f option. She has to condition her opponent not to mash first before she can command grab them.
 '''OD Windclad Spire''' is almost always +2 on block. Lily's throws will beat mashing here, which lets her lean on them a bit more heavily. OD Windclad Spire also beats projectiles and Drive Impact at all distances, making it better suited for neutral.
 === Okizeme and Mixups ===
 TO-DO
 '''Knockdown Advantage:''' all scenarios assume that opponent will Back Rise midscreen when possible, unless otherwise stated
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 | '''2HK''' || HKD +?<br>HKD +? (Punish) || ?
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