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{{SVC Character Subnav|name=Genjyuro Kibagami}} | |||
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! align="center" colspan="2" | [[image:Genjurosvc.gif|"You can kill yourself from shame, but I won't clean up!"|center]] | ! align="center" colspan="2" | [[image:Genjurosvc.gif|"You can kill yourself from shame, but I won't clean up!"|center]] | ||
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| '''Category''' || Normal | |||
|- | |||
| '''Playstyle''' || Shoto rushdown | |||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Difficulty''' || Average | | '''Difficulty''' || Average | ||
|- | |- | ||
| '''Max Mode Needed?''' || | | '''Max Mode Needed?''' || Much better with it | ||
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| '''Tier Placement''' || Trash (E) | | '''Tier Placement''' || Trash (E) | ||
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| '''Crouching Hitbox''' || Tall | | '''Crouching Hitbox''' || Tall | ||
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| '''Defense Modifier''' || 223 | |||
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| '''Wall Jump''' || No | |||
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* Some moves have great range | * '''Some moves have great range:''' For some attacks, Genjuro can reach as far as across roughly 70% of the screen, or otherwise his normals tend to have far reaching hitboxes. | ||
* Good reversal | * '''Good reversal:''' Both Genjuro's regular DP and the first part of his exceed function as reliable reversals, allowing him to take his turn back. Whether they're good anti-airs is another question, but are solid tools in his kit, nonetheless. Having a way to fight back against okizeme helps Genjuro a lot when his neutral is otherwise mediocre. | ||
* Decent combos | * '''Decent combos:''' Jump-in and punish combos lead to knockdowns and help alleviate Genjuro's poor damage, potentially also helping to setup for pressure or unblockable setups. With max mode, he gains access to solid combo routes that provide good damage and utility, both of which he really needs. | ||
* Okay mixups | * '''Okay mixups:''' Genjuro's rekka can allow him to cross-up with the heavy version of it to score an unsuspecting knockdown, for one. With a lot of meter to burn, Genjuro can sometimes spam supers repeatedly in the hopes of scoring a hit against an opponent thinking they have room to punish Genjuro thanks to its decent recovery. Anything to squeeze out more damage. | ||
* | * '''Decent jumping normals:''' As stated, some of Genjuro's buttons have great reach which extends to his jump normals, making his jump-ins and air-to-airs contest with opponents decently well. While the damage is lackluster, they make up for it with utility, at least for the most part. | ||
* Rage carries over to the next round | * '''Rage carries over to the next round:''' If somehow Genjuro ends up dying while in rage, or in other words during exceed, it will carry over to the next round. The timer before it ends won't restart, but it will at least remain in the same state. | ||
* Unblockable setups | * '''Unblockable setups:''' One of Genjuro's few strengths, he can use knockdowns as a setup for his unblockable attacks. They're slow, but with the right setup, significantly ramps up Genjuro's damage and score rounds this way. Depending on the matchup, Genjuro may not be able to utilize these setups at all, but a nice boon, regardless. | ||
* '''Combos into both parts of Exceed:''' Genjuro's regular BnB combos and his max mode loops offer him ways to confirm into both parts of his exceed, alleviating some of its big downsides and providing him more utility. | |||
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* Bad startup and recovery across many of his moves | * '''Bad startup and recovery across many of his moves:''' Several of Genjuro's attacks are on the slow side, especially if it's his heavy attacks which usually have long startup animations. On top of this, they're slow recovery wise, too, leaving him at a greater frame disadvantage on block than other characters that he becomes easily punishable. | ||
* '''Mediocre damage output (for a Samsho character...):''' Probably like many people, the first thing you'll think of when you think Samsho is the huge damage and those moments where one mistake costs you massive chunks of your life bar. But here, throw all that out the window. Genjuro's damage is painfully low for most of his attacks that you'll hardly even remember he's supposed to do high damage. Even after entering rage, he does so little extra damage that you won't notice the difference. | |||
* Mediocre damage output (for a Samsho character...) | * '''Best damage locked behind difficult max mode loops:''' Genjuro can do a whole health bar's worth of damage in one combo and (optionally) confirm into super... but only in max mode. They're not easy loops, either, requiring he cancel rekka into DP then canceling the first hit of DP into rekka again, or canceling DP into his proximity unblockable. This is locked behind very fast cancels that players can easily drop. | ||
* Awful lows | * '''Awful lows:''' Outside of forward D, using Genjuro's low hitting normals is a death sentence and hardly rewards him in neutral. On block, he's easily punishable depending on the normal, so it's better to not use them to begin with. | ||
* Arguably the worst hitboxes in the game | * '''Arguably the worst hitboxes in the game:''' Admittedly this is a vague statement and is potentially too subjective. Still, it must be mentioned how terrible Genjuro's hitboxes are. Standing, crouching, a fair number of his normal attacks, and some of his specials, more often than not Genjuro's hurtboxes are huge and lead to several issues besides getting hit easier. A number of his active hitboxes are nothing impressive, either. | ||
* | * '''Arguably worst Exceed in the game:''' There are too many reasons why Genjuro's exceed is ''abysmal.'' Please look at the description boxes for it down below, but in short, it's huge risk but for little reward. What's probably the worst part, a super that is not supposed to be easily telegraphed is made easily telegraphed thanks to the game engine. | ||
* Easy to punish since nearly everything he does is unsafe | * '''Easy to punish since nearly everything he does is unsafe:''' Take one good look at Genjuro's frame data, and you'll see why he's so easy to punish all the time. And of course, you have to worry about GCFS. Almost none of Genjuro's moves are actually safe to use. To play Genjuro well, you need to treat his move list as black and white: use X moves, and entirely avoid Y moves. | ||
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===Exceed=== | ===Exceed=== | ||
Genjuro's Exceed has two parts to it. | Genjuro's Exceed has two parts to it. And they both suck. | ||
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|description=* The first part of his Exceed | |description=* The first part of his Exceed, where Genjuro performs a quick DP slash upwards, enters the Rage state and lands, ready to continue his onsalught. | ||
* While in the rage state, Genjuro's idle animation moves faster, his skin turns red, and he deals slightly higher damage. When he's about to exit the rage state, his skin will briefly flash then revert back to normal. | |||
* The rage itself roughly lasts 10 real world seconds from the moment Genjuro starts the Exceed. This rage will also carry over into the next round, with the same amount of time remaining before it disappears (to be verified). | |||
* There are many issues with this first part of the Exceed alone that also defeat the whole point of using it. | |||
:* When using the DP slash, Genjuro can anti-air with it, like a DP. It also moves Genjuro forwards a little like his regular DP, however the height he reaches is shorter than his DP A. | |||
:* Genjuro has i-frames during the startup of the Exceed and transitions to a fat active hitbox. It also will not play a super flash when he uses it. He is vulnerable for the rest of the Exceed. But still, it's a decent reversal and one of the only okay aspects of the Exceed. | |||
::* Major problem with the DP: it's only active for 3 frames, significantly shorter than either of his DPs or even his go-to anti-air buttons. The hitbox also doesn't cover as much area, either, let alone it doesn't do much to cover above him. | |||
::* The DP's damage, at least compared to the rest of Genjuro's kit, is also good. It does more damage than his normal DPs do, and still more than even the rage enhanced DPs do. | |||
:* The next issue regards the rage state itself. Having any extra damage boost is greatly appreciated since Genjuro is severely lacking good damage output. Not to mention that by having 10 seconds of increased damage, he poses somewhat more of a threat to the opponent. | |||
::* However this barely elevates his damage to begin with. It's so little of a boost - just a few extra points/pixels of health, you might not even notice it taking effect. It's somewhat more noticeable against characters with low health, but it's still hard to visibly see the difference. | |||
::* Another issue Genjuro can't help: nothing stops the opponent from simply running away. Or outzoning Genjuro in the event they get away or he drops his pressure, and he has to get back in, wasting time on the rage bonus. | |||
::* Or even against non-zoning characters, blocking one attack, using GC Blowback, pushing Genjuro to the other side of the screen, and wasting his rage timer that way. All of this and he still has his existing issue of getting in or having bad buttons to work with. | |||
:* Lastly, if the rage ends with Genjuro not using the second part of his Exceed, that's it. He has spent the Exceed and cannot use it anymore, thus wasting it. | |||
:* A minor quirk, but when the DP trades, it seems to randomly pick either player to win the trade and continue with their attack. More testing needed. | |||
* In short, it's a decent reversal, and that's pretty much where the good parts of the entire Exceed end. The damage boost, albeit nice, barely matters, and the opponent can just play runaway until the rage ends, something Genjuro can't help. And he has to make sure he uses the second part of the Exceed within 10 seconds, or else he loses rage, and the game considers his Exceed used. | |||
* Genjuro can, fortunately, also combo into this first part, so he does not have to use it raw all the time, but it's still limited combo potential. | |||
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|description=* The second part of his Exceed. You can only use this if Genjuro is | |description=* The second part of his Exceed, Issen, otherwise known as Lightning Blade. You can only use this if Genjuro is in rage, after he has used the first part. | ||
* He slides forward for a quick and powerful slash attack which knocks down, ending with Genjuro posing for a brief moment next to the opponent. When it hits, the opponent is put into a hard knockdown state. If it's blocked, Genjuro will hop back a bit like in the Samsho series. | |||
:* The only other positive with the Exceed, albeit a minor one, Genjuro can dodge air projectiles with issen since his hurtbox is lowered during the attack. He can still be hit by ground attacks and projectiles, however. | |||
:* Genjuro is also invulnerable during the startup of Exceed, as is typical of most Exceeds. | |||
:* Unlike the first part, this is the half of the Exceed that uses the Exceed flash at the start. Which is ironic, since in the Samsho series, issen has historically always been a quick, sudden attack with no immediate warning it's happening. So, having the flash ''before'' Genjuro does issen makes it a dead giveaway, thus giving your opponent ample room to react to it... | |||
::* ...so, if you read the first part, where Genjuro can be interrupted with low attacks, the fact the flash warns his opponent ahead of time means they can react with an attack if they want. The safest option is to block or jump out of the way, but attacking is viable, too, at least if they're far away enough. | |||
::* This also means if it trades with anything, either one character gets knocked out, Genjuro wins the exchange, or both characters flop to the ground (such as if Genjuro Exceed trades with itself). | |||
:::* More testing needed, it's difficult to time correctly even with frame-by-frame pausing. | |||
:* Also, despite its name and its history of being a fast attack in the Samsho series, the startup is slow despite looking quick. The dash itself is fast, at least. | |||
:* You can combo it, but only with heavy slashes, or if the opponent is in a juggle state which for Genjuro, good luck achieving. | |||
* Rewarding when it lands as it does a big chunk of damage... but it's still not enough to be a full bar of health. But because of the slower startup, and its flash that warns the other player, it's hard for Genjuro to really get any mileage with it. And of course, if you screw up, he's punishable on block. Most characters should have no issue being able to do some kind of punish afterwards. | |||
* In general, this half of the Exceed is really hard to use, since you need to make very sure it's able to punish the opponent. Just terrible, use with high caution. If you land it, pat yourself on the back. | |||
* Genjuro can also combo both parts of the Exceed with his max mode loops, alleviating issues a little bit. | |||
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Latest revision as of 23:40, 14 October 2024
牙神 幻十郎, Kibagami Genjuro | |
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Category | Normal |
Playstyle | Shoto rushdown |
Difficulty | Average |
Max Mode Needed? | Much better with it |
Tier Placement | Trash (E) |
Standing Hitbox | ? |
Crouching Hitbox | Tall |
Defense Modifier | 223 |
Wall Jump | No |
Introduction
Genjuro Kibagami is a character from the Samurai Shodown series, his first appearence being the second game. Now he's infamous for being one of the strongest Samsho characters in the series, outside of Samsho 2, having great mixups, damage, and other tools that make him stand as a top tier, if not close to it. But in SVC... Ouch. To call his transition a downgrade is an understatement, as everything that makes him good in Samsho is nowhere to be found here.
Note that while the game calls him Genjyuro with a y, this is just a literal translation into romaji from Japanese. No one (at least in English) refers to him as Genjyuro, so the wiki will instead use his much more commonly translated name, Genjuro with no y.
Strengths | Weaknesses |
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SVC Chaos: SNK VS Capcom Frame Data Glossary | |
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Damage |
How much damage the attack does. This takes into account no defense modifiers, so the damage assumes a 0% damage modifier, or in other words the average defense modifier of 223 against characters like Kyo and Ryu.
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Counter Damage |
How much damage the attack does on a counter hit, or when it connects with an opponent while they're performing an attack. Counter damage values listed are pulled from the SVC Chaos Enterbrain Mook, save Athena, Red Arremer, Serious Mr. Karate and Shin Akuma. |
Guard |
Where the attack hits, and thus where it must be blocked.
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Guard Crush |
How much guard meter damage the attack does to the green Guard Gauge. |
Stun |
How many points of stun the attack adds to the opponent's invisible Stun Gauge. |
Meter |
How much meter is gained for performing/landing the attack. Special moves earn meter both when activated and when they connect with the opponent, whether it hits them or they block it. |
Cancel |
The type of cancel the attack can perform.
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Startup |
How many frames it takes before the move becomes 'active' or has a hitbox. The SVC Chaos wiki uses classic startup notation, which does not include the first active frame. A move with 3 startup becomes active on frame 4. Super and Exceed startup will calculate both the frames before and after the super flash animation as such: X+Y, with X being the startup frames before the flash animation and Y being the startup frames after the flash animation.
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Active |
How many frames a move remains active (can hurt opponents) for. Consecutive sets of active frames on a multi-hit move are separated by a comma. (Example: 3, 4 - The attack has its first hitbox for 3 frames, then the second hitbox for 4 frames)
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Recovery |
How many frames it takes for a move to finish after it's been active. |
Total |
The total number of frames the attack lasts on screen for. This adds up the startup, active, and recovery frames into one number. |
Hit/Block Adv |
These are frame advantage values when the attack hits or is blocked. If the number is positive, then the move will end before the defender can act again. If the number is negative, the defender will be able to act before the attacker and maybe even punish.
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Invulnerability |
Indicates whether there's any frames of invulnerability during the attack. |
Move List
Normal Moves
Close Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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5 | 6 | Mid | 5 | 5 | - | - | 6 | 4 | 4 | 14 | +4 | +2 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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11 | 12 | Mid | 11 | 9 | - | - | 8 | 6 | 11 | 25 | +3 | -7 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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14x2 | 18 | Mid | 14x2 | 14x2 | - | - | 6 | 2, (6), 4 | 29 | 47 | -13 | -15 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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10x3 | 13 | Mid | 10x3 | 10x3 | - | - | 5 | 3, (4), 3, (3), 5 | 11 | 34 | 3rd= +4 | 3rd= +2 | - | |
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Far Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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6 | 7 | Mid | 6 | 6 | - | - | 7 | 4 | 17 | 28 | -9 | -11 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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12 | 13 | Mid | 12 | 10 | - | - | 13 | 4 | 20 | 37 | -4 | -14 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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40 | 50 | Mid | 32 | 36 | - | - | 22 | 4 | 39 | 65 | -23 | -25 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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10x3 | 13 | Mid | 10x3 | 10x3 | - | - | 5 | 6, (6), 4, (3), 6 | 11 | 41 | 3rd= +3 | 3rd= +1 | - | |
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Crouch Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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5 | 6 | Mid | 5 | 5 | - | - | 6 | 4 | 4 | 14 | +4 | +2 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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11 | 12 | Mid | 11 | 9 | - | - | 10 | 4 | 16 | 30 | +0 | -10 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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40 | 50 | Mid | 32 | 36 | - | - | 21 | 4 | 38 | 63 | -22 | -24 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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18 | 27 | Mid | 16 | 17 | - | - | 12 | 8 | 9 | 29 | SKD | +1 | - | |
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Jumping Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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6 | 7 | Overhead | 6 | 6 | - | - | 6 | 5 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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12 | 13 | Overhead | 12 | 10 | - | - | 10 | 4 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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22 | 30 | Overhead | 16 | 22 | - | - | 12 | 2 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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22 | 30 | Overhead | 16 | 22 | - | - | 10 | 4 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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18 | 27 | Overhead | 16 | 16 | - | - | 11 | 8 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Command Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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20 | 24 | Mid | 11 | 11 | - | - | 12 | 2 | 22 | 36 | -4 | -6 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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20 | 24 | Low | 11 | 20 | - | - | 17 | 8 | 8 | 33 | SKD | +2 | - | |
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Throws
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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24 | 24 | Throw | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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24 | 24 | Throw | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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0 | 0 | Mid | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Special Moves
Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
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Kiba qcf A |
12 | 16 | Mid | 11 | 11 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
Tsuno qcf/b A |
12 | 16 | Mid | 11 | 11 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
Rin qcf/b A |
18 | 22 | Mid | 16 | 16 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
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Kiba qcf C |
12 | 16 | Mid | 11 | 11 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
Tsuno qcf/b C |
12 | 16 | Mid | 11 | 11 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
Rin qcf/b C |
18 | 22 | Mid | 16 | 16 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
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qcb~f A | 0+13x3 | 0, 13 | Mid | 0 | 0 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
qcb~f C | 0+13x3 | 0, 13 | Mid | 0 | 0 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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32 | 36 | Unblockable | 30 | 30 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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18 | 22 | Mid | 11 | 11 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
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dp B | 12x4 | 14 | Unblockable | 0 | 0 | - | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
dp D | 12x4 | 14 | Mid | 0 | 0 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
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dp A | 17x2 | 21 | Mid | 11x2 | 11x2 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
dp C | 19x2 | 23 | Mid | 11x2 | 11x2 | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Super Moves
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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0+(13x5) | 0, 13 | Mid | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Exceed
Genjuro's Exceed has two parts to it. And they both suck.
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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32 | 36 | Mid | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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112 | 120 | Mid | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Strategy
Basic Strategy
Genjuro's Gameplan
Genjuro's goal is just to have his space. Make your opponents eat your projectile on their wakeup, try to avoid getting in the corner as much as possible, if your opponent tries to do a jump attack, just use and abuse of your DP-like move(Kyo can counter it in the air sometimes), and if the opponent whiffs a move, try to punish him with what you have: If the opponent is far from you, use your QCF+A(with the 3 hits, if possible), and if your opponent is close to you, use one of his damaging combos, or you can use his QCB, f+P. Don't try to abuse of your mixups too much, you can abuse of them if you KNOW that the opponent is confused. Mix your QCF+P moves with your low and high moves, and then the match is yours.
Advanced Strategy
Using your setups effectively
Genjuro's setups are something really important. The best ways to use them are(You can add if you want):
1- df.C setups:
- When the opponent is in a jumping state;
- When the opponent whiffs an uppercut-like move;
- After you block an uppercut-like move(Needs to be well timed, but is hard to do in some cases).
2- f.D setups:
- On the opponent's wakeup(Can be hard to do);
- After you block a move(The move needs to be punishable);
- After the opponent whiffs a move with bad recovery(Near you);
- After a cl.A(Hard to work, but you can use).
Match-Ups
Combos
Note: For Genjuro's combos, you can add a meaty QCB+K unblockable on the end of them.
SVC Chaos: SNK VS Capcom Quick Combo Notation Guide | |
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May change to numpad notation much later down the road. |
BnB Combos
Combo | Position | Damage | Stun | Difficulty | Notes |
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(j.X,) cl/cr.A, dp P | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | Basic combo. |
(j.X,) cl/cr.A, qcb~f P | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | qcb~f P is harder to connect than dp P is. |
(j.X,) cl.C(1) dp B, dp P / ABC / BCD (corner and during Exceed only) | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | His best combo for punishing(without the Jump Attack, I mean). Abuse of it when you can(of course, when your opponent whiffs a move or when you can do a GSC). The best to use after the DP+B is the QCF(2x)+P, probably. The BCD can be risky to use, so watch out. It is one of his most damaging combos. |
(j.X,) cl.C(1) dp B, qcf x2 P | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | |
(j.X,) cl.C(1) dp B, ABC | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | |
(j.X,) cl.C(1) dp B, BCD | Corner | TBA | TBA | TBA | During Rage only. |
(j.X,) cl.C(1), BCD | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | During Rage only. The best way to do a hit confirm with the Exceed. The damage is nice(thanks to the Exceed boost), and this a nice option for a punish combo, but you can use it only one time, so use it at your own risk. |
qcb A, qcf A x3 | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | When both players are in opposite corners. Hard combo, but the best way to use this is when the opponent is in a dizzy state and you're far away from him/her. The damage is nice, but this is a hard combo to use. |
Max Mode Combos
Combo | Position | Damage | Stun | Difficulty | Notes |
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st./cr.C, (C)qcf A x3 | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | Easy combo. Those two C moves are his most damaging Normal Moves, and in Max Mode you can cancel them, which is a nice thing. The opponent can block it, but don't worry with that, because you can use it to punish when you're far from the opponent(Just time well). |
qcf A x2, [(C)dp A(1), (C)qcf A x2,]xN, (C)dp K, (SC)qcf x2 P | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | His most damaging(But a little hard) combo. But I can give you some tips. When you do the DP+A part, hold the A button and the QCF+A part will be done with more ease. If you want to add a attack after the first QCF+A, go ahead. You can begin this combo with DP+A too, but can be harder. |