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| '''Category''' || Normal | |||
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| '''Playstyle''' || Zoning shoto | |||
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| '''Difficulty''' || Mostly Easy | | '''Difficulty''' || Mostly Easy |
Revision as of 01:34, 28 July 2024
สกัด, Sagat | |
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Category | Normal |
Playstyle | Zoning shoto |
Difficulty | Mostly Easy |
Max Mode Needed? | Doesn't Need It |
Tier Placement | Pretty Good (B) |
Standing Hitbox | ? |
Crouching Hitbox | Short |
Defense Modifier | 223 |
Wall Jump | No |
Introduction
Sagat, the Emperor of Muay Thai, is a Street Fighter staple boss character, debuting as the final boss in the first Street Fighter to challenge Ryu, the results of which giving him his scar on his chest. As one of many shotos, Sagat focuses on zoning and playing keepout with Tiger Shot fireballs that go both high and low, making him quite frustrating to approach in the right hands. SVC decided to take a more drastic turn with Sagat's design, however: low Tiger Shot no longer hits low, taking away a key part of Sagat's design. He is still fairly capable, so it's not the end of the world, but giving the opponent less reason to block low doesn't do him any favors as a zoner in a game where the strongest of characters are all zoners.
Strengths | Weaknesses |
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SVC Chaos: SNK VS Capcom Frame Data Glossary | |
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Damage |
How much damage the attack does. This takes into account no defense modifiers, so the damage assumes a 0% damage modifier, or in other words the average defense modifier of 223 against characters like Kyo and Ryu.
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Counter Damage |
How much damage the attack does on a counter hit, or when it connects with an opponent while they're performing an attack. Counter damage values listed are pulled from the SVC Chaos Enterbrain Mook, save Athena, Red Arremer, Serious Mr. Karate and Shin Akuma. |
Guard |
Where the attack hits, and thus where it must be blocked.
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Guard Crush |
How much guard meter damage the attack does to the green Guard Gauge. |
Stun |
How many points of stun the attack adds to the opponent's invisible Stun Gauge. |
Meter |
How much meter is gained for performing/landing the attack. Special moves earn meter both when activated and when they connect with the opponent, whether it hits them or they block it. |
Cancel |
The type of cancel the attack can perform.
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Startup |
How many frames it takes before the move becomes 'active' or has a hitbox. The SVC Chaos wiki uses classic startup notation, which does not include the first active frame. A move with 3 startup becomes active on frame 4. Super and Exceed startup will calculate both the frames before and after the super flash animation as such: X+Y, with X being the startup frames before the flash animation and Y being the startup frames after the flash animation.
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Active |
How many frames a move remains active (can hurt opponents) for. Consecutive sets of active frames on a multi-hit move are separated by a comma. (Example: 3, 4 - The attack has its first hitbox for 3 frames, then the second hitbox for 4 frames)
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Recovery |
How many frames it takes for a move to finish after it's been active. |
Total |
The total number of frames the attack lasts on screen for. This adds up the startup, active, and recovery frames into one number. |
Hit/Block Adv |
These are frame advantage values when the attack hits or is blocked. If the number is positive, then the move will end before the defender can act again. If the number is negative, the defender will be able to act before the attacker and maybe even punish.
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Invulnerability |
Indicates whether there's any frames of invulnerability during the attack. |
Move List
Normal Moves
Close Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 3 | 4 | 7 | 14 | +1 | -1 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 7 | 6 | 12 | 25 | -6 | -8 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 6 | 3, 8 | 17 | 34 | -8 | -10 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | cl.D= 6 ; st.D= 7 | 3, (1), 6 | cl.D= 18 ; st.D= 19 | cl.D= 34 ; st.D= 36 | 2nd= -4/-5 | 2nd= -6/-7 | - | |
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Far Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 4 | 4 | 7 | 15 | +1 | -1 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 8 | 5 | 10 | 23 | -3 | -5 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 7 | 8 | 19 | 34 | -7 | -9 | - | |
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Crouch Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 4 | 4 | 9 | 17 | -1 | -3 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 5 | 3 | 8 | 16 | +1 | -1 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 8 | 8 | 14 | 30 | -2 | -4 | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | 8 | 7 | 14 | 29 | SKD | -3 | - | |
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Jumping Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Overhead | - | - | - | - | 5 | 19 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Overhead | - | - | - | - | 5 | 11 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Overhead | - | - | - | - | 4 | 13 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Overhead | - | - | - | - | 4 | 8 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Overhead | - | - | - | - | 9 | 8 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Overhead | - | - | - | - | 6 | 8 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Overhead | - | - | - | - | 10 | 8 | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Command Normals
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Throws
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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24 | 24 | Throw | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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24 | 24 | Throw | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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0 | 0 | Mid | 0 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Special Moves
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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- | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
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dp A | - | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
dp C | - | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
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dp B | - | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Version | Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability |
dp D | - | - | Mid | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | - |
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Super Moves
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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A= 31x4 ; C= 30x6 | A= 34 ; C= 33 | Mid | A= 2x4 ; C= 2x6 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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A= 31x4 ; C= 30x6 | A= 34 ; C= 33 | Mid | A= 2x4 ; C= 2x6 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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B= 38x6 ; D= 38x7 | 46 | Low (1st) > Mid | B= 2x6 ; D= 2x7 | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Exceed
Damage | Counter Dmg | Guard | G. Crush | Stun | Meter | Cancel | Startup | Active | Recovery | Total | Hit Adv | Block Adv | Invulnerability | |
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(22x6)+(48x6) | 26, 56 | Mid | (2x6)+(2x6) | 0 | 0 | X | - | - | - | - | - | - | - | |
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Strategy
Basic Strategy
Sagat's Gameplan
His gameplan is only to mix your High/Low Tiger Shots while you're far from the opponent(I think that's his plan on any game, but here, he's kind of unique) by using your pokes, command moves and meaty projectiles(That's what they call "Zoning") and to try to land the Tiger Raid to combo in the corner(Can be hard depending of the matchup). Sagat don't have good Max combos, so if you're in Max Mode, just use Super Moves. And if you know the basics on how to play with Ryu on any game, you can try to use those basic tactics(He's a Shoto here, remember?).
Advanced Strategy
Resets
Well... Resets are really important here, because they can lead to more damage. And with Sagat, this is true. Remember the combo above? He could juggle with his Super. But what if we don't use the Exceed after it? Let's try this:
(Corner only) [Jump Attack] cl/cr.C, QCB(2x)+K, cl./cr.C(Don't cancel it)
Yeah, you can think: But and the damage? Here is a phrase that I learned from a pro fighting game player: "What matters in fighting games isn't 'how you do damage', is 'how can I get to the damage'." When I heard this, I started to think about that. And later, when I saw a video with many resets in a tournament, I thought more, and then I found this damaging reset above. So, what can I do after the cl./cr.C hits?
- First, don't cancel it(You already knew that).
- Second, analyse your opponent. See if he/she is blocking high/low in wakeup situations(Resets are like... Faster wakeups).
- Third, react to the reset. I putted cl./cr.C, because with the cl. version, you'll have more time to think, and the opponent can have more time to react. With the cr. version, you'll have less time to think, but the opponent will have less time to react too(If you time well, I mean). It's up to you now.
- Fourth, do a low/overhead move. If you have meter, you can do something like cr.B, QCF(2x)+K, DP+C/DP+K/Exceed. If you don't have the meter, just do the same combo, but without the Super. Now for the overhead variant: (After the reset) f+A(It's an overhead, remember?), DP+C. This combo only works in Max Mode. You can even repeat the reset, by doing that combo, and then cr.A(As a low), the Super, cl./cr.C many times.
If you're having trouble with this, I found a video with it. Click [1] <- here, jump to 3:48 and good luck.
Match-Ups
Guile
A rather interesting matchup for both characters, since on paper Sagat cannot keep up with Guile's sonic boom pressure and will always lose fireball wars. However, this is only with his low tiger shots, which meet the same level as Guile's sonic booms. With high tiger shots, they go above sonic boom, letting Sagat either trade with Guile any time they exchange fireballs, or punish Guile for doing fireball and if far away enough to recover in time, can block the sonic boom. This makes for unusual fireball wars where both characters want to throw out fireballs but at the same time cannot as they circumvent each other's fireball pressure. If Sagat uses super fireball, then regardless of which version he uses, it's in his favor and Guile needs to respect it. Guile can front step punish it, but being a charge character, he can't do much without meter. It's better for Guile to play neutral with his normals and have flash kick ready instead of trying to play fireball wars. However, Sagat can also play neutral pretty well with some good buttons, long normals, and similar pressure, though his anti-airs may be counteracted by Guile. Midrange sonic booms for pressure are still beneficial for Guile to fight aggressively with as opposed to turtling, so you do need to play Guile differently as a result. Arguably in Guile's favor only by a little. Sagat players should be careful how they throw out tiger shots and look out for sonic booms up close since Guile will have better pressure up close and better normals, but both characters counteract their best points in the matchup.
Combos
SVC Chaos: SNK VS Capcom Quick Combo Notation Guide | |
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May change to numpad notation much later down the road. |
Combo | Position | Damage | Stun | Difficulty | Notes |
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(j.X,) db.D, qcf X | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | The classic Shoto combo "cr.MK + Fireball". You don't need to add the jump attack sometimes, because this can be hard to use on those small characters(Choi and Zero), but it's not impossible. Easy if you want to begin. The damage is decent. You can use this combo if you land the db+D as a poke to push your opponent if you want(But will not connect). |
(j.X,) cl.C, dp X | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | Sagat's cl.C is his most damaging cancelable move, but it whiffs against those low crouching characters, so watch out if you want to use. In this combo, DP+C is the best choice, because it does more hits and more damage. The DP+K does only one hit on this combo. |
(j.X,) cl./cr.C, qcb x2 K, dp C | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | Simple combo, really. If you get used to this, you can use the Exceed after the QCB(2x)+K part(more details on that will be on the Advanced Strategy), but those two are only options if you don't have/don't want to use the Exceed. |
(j.X,) cl./cr.C, qcb x2 K, dp K | Corner | TBA | TBA | TBA | Simple combo, really. If you get used to this, you can use the Exceed after the QCB(2x)+K part(more details on that will be on the Advanced Strategy), but those two are only options if you don't have/don't want to use the Exceed. |
(j.X,) cl./cr.C, qcb x2 K | TBA | TBA | TBA | TBA | |
(j.X,) cl./cr.C, qcb x2 K, Exceed | Corner | TBA | TBA | TBA | That's his most damaging combo. It's not so hard to do, but to get the most damage, the first uppercut needs to whiff, and the second uppercut needs to hit the opponent, so you need to time well. Button holding for this combo is actually not a good idea, because if you button hold, despite Exceed coming out immediately, it will make the last hit of the first DP does not whiff, thus dropping the rest of the Exceed and allowing the opponent to recover before Sagat. I think it does 75% of damage on the opponent's health. The opponent will be with only 25% of health, so they can use their Exceed after this combo. |