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| data = In a general sense, '''you do not want to overcommit to fighting Zangief up close.''' Spend a lot of time walking back and forth poking him where you can, ideally with 2MK and 5HK, though be careful with being too overzealous with your longer reaching buttons as he can grab any extended throw hurtboxes with Spinning Piledriver. If you can get a hit that converts into a Spiral Arrow, take the knockdown as an opportunity to get closer and go for jabs or meaties | | data = In a general sense, '''you do not want to overcommit to fighting Zangief up close.''' Spend a lot of time walking back and forth poking him and punishing him where you can, ideally with 2MK and 5HK, though be careful with being too overzealous with your longer reaching buttons as he can grab any extended throw hurtboxes with Spinning Piledriver. If you can get a hit that converts into a Spiral Arrow, take the knockdown as an opportunity to get closer and go for jabs or meaties at slightly further ranges than you would against most characters. | ||
If Zangief | If his Cyclone Wheel Kick overhead (6HK) isn't spaced correctly in neutral, it can be punished on block with the likes of 2MP, 2HP, or 5HP, and you can get a knockdown from whatever combo that follows. If you do get hit by Spinning Piledriver, Siberian Express, or other throws that create significant distance between you and him, you'll need to gauge your next actions relatively carefully if he chooses to Drive Rush at you -- while Drive Impact will shut down most of the Drive Rush normals or command normals that Zangief is likely to use after a Drive Rush, Drive Rush Knee Hammer (6MK) or his 5HP set him up to either counter-DI in 6MK's case or potentially take the hit and smack you anyway if 5HP is charged up. While neutral jumping is an option to avoid some of his Drive Rush tools if the Drive Rush starts from far enough away, you may also get snagged by his SA1 or OD Siberian Blizzard (air Spinning Piledriver) if you do this too often. If he chooses to throw you with his other unique normal throws that leave him much closer to you, you may have to gamble on challenging with OD Cannon Spike to deal with grounded oki. | ||
For Zangief players that like to jump at you to get in, use Cannon Spike to anti-air him when you can, or go for air-to-air normals if he's too close; Cannon Spike is generally a better bet since it has air invulnerability on its startup frames, which will keep some of Zangief's beefier normals from counterhitting your air normals if you mess up the timing. Cannon Spike also works as an answer to Knee Hammer if he's using it on the ground to advance a lot, as it's oftentimes a tool Zangief players use to buffer a Spinning Piledriver input when they land from it and he is in the air for a period of time while using it. | |||
Be especially wary against a Zangief with 3 super meters, as the moment you get into range there's a chance that you may be grabbed by his SA3. The only way to avoid it is to be out of range or otherwise not throwable '''before''' the super flash goes off (unlike Lily and Manon's SA3s), so once he has the meter for SA3, you should be even more proactive in avoiding a close-range fight with him. This also extends to being more careful with your okizeme -- Zangief's SA3 is somewhere between his LP and MP SPD's range, slightly cutting back on its range compared to the Critical Art version, which is within LP SPD's larger range. You may have to commit to walking back more frequently or doing a backdash after a knockdown if you suspect that reversal SA3/CA is going to come out. | |||
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Ryu
Cammy vs. Ryu
Playing against Ryu is generally about staying patient and punishing his overextensions or predictable moves. His toolset is well-rounded enough that rushing him down can be dangerous without establishing enough of a presence to make him afraid of using his best tools for punishing overzealous players, and Cammy has a less difficult time giving Ryu trouble for pushing his offensive too hard.
Many Ryu players will use 2MK as their go-to poke, as it's special cancelable and can be used to harass with cancels into fireballs or High Blade Kick if it manages to hit. Some of his buttons do a bit more reach than they seem to, but Cammy will generally outrange him in the pokes department, and his buttons aren't necessarily super safe or plus unless he's using Drive Rush to get in with them -- his 6MP overhead is a common tool for this, as it becomes pretty plus out of a Drive Rush with Drive Rush 2MK as the second option for high/low mix.
With all this in mind, it's best to use Cammy's movespeed, medium kick pokes, and 5HK when jockeying for position with Ryu; your objective is either to make Ryu whiff a button so that you can snipe his mistakes with whiff punishes into a knockdown, or keep him in the range of your pokes and counterpokes so that you can stuff him when he has to approach in order to reach you. It's worth noting that Cammy can pretty easily punish Ryu's sweep if it's blocked, either with 2MK or a Spiral Arrow if the distance is a concern, while quite a few characters normally have trouble doing so, so make sure to keep an eye out for it.
Against a Ryu that likes to throw a lot of fireballs, parrying them from farther out is the safest option, followed by neutral jumping over them; forward jumps are much riskier, as Ryu can and will DP you out of the air if you get the jump approach wrong and he throws a weaker fireball to recover faster. The riskiest but subsequently more rewarding option is MP/HP/OD Spin Knuckle if you have a strong read on when the fireball is going to come out; timing it correctly will give you a counterhit and skip you right through the fireball. Note that experienced Ryu players will often bait Spin Knuckle by shuffling at roughly fireball range and occasionally neutral jumping or going for a Drive Impact if they anticipate it coming, so be careful about using it too much; in the case of a Drive Impact, it's possible to get through the fireball and potentially (but not always) recover in time to counter-DI by using MP Spin Knuckle instead of HP or OD. If you happen to have 3 super meters and really trust your reactions, then a careless fireball can also be shut down by SA3 or Critical Art, though it's best to save this for when a kill is assured.
His other specials are an assorted bag of tricks. High Blade Kick can be tricky to deal with -- a 2MK will punish the LK, MK, and OD versions pretty easily if you're unsure of the range, but the HK version is a bit trickier to handle if it's spaced well and you may be better served trying to parry it if you can react to its startup. Make good use of shimmying after getting knockdowns with Spiral Arrow in order to bait Shoryukens, especially OD Shoryuken, and be leery of using a lot of divekicks if the Ryu demonstrates they can anticipate when you're going to jump -- you can intentionally use weaker versions of divekick to try and bait a Shoryuken as well, but this can be risky if you misread the spacing. LP Hashogeki is punishable with light normals, while the MP version may space you out in the same way that HK High Blade Kick will and the HP version can be interrupted due to the startup.
Ryu's Super Arts are also pretty orthodox to deal with--Shinku Hadoken has strike and throw invul, so it can do a work as a reversal in lieu of OD Shoryuken, both in and out of Ryu burnout. Shin Hashogeki doesn't see use outside of combos most of the time, which mostly means that aside from Shinku Hadoken you're most likely to see Shin Shoryuken as a last-ditch reversal or anti-air--treat it like you would dealing with OD Shoryuken.Zangief
Cammy vs. Zangief
In a general sense, you do not want to overcommit to fighting Zangief up close. Spend a lot of time walking back and forth poking him and punishing him where you can, ideally with 2MK and 5HK, though be careful with being too overzealous with your longer reaching buttons as he can grab any extended throw hurtboxes with Spinning Piledriver. If you can get a hit that converts into a Spiral Arrow, take the knockdown as an opportunity to get closer and go for jabs or meaties at slightly further ranges than you would against most characters.
If his Cyclone Wheel Kick overhead (6HK) isn't spaced correctly in neutral, it can be punished on block with the likes of 2MP, 2HP, or 5HP, and you can get a knockdown from whatever combo that follows. If you do get hit by Spinning Piledriver, Siberian Express, or other throws that create significant distance between you and him, you'll need to gauge your next actions relatively carefully if he chooses to Drive Rush at you -- while Drive Impact will shut down most of the Drive Rush normals or command normals that Zangief is likely to use after a Drive Rush, Drive Rush Knee Hammer (6MK) or his 5HP set him up to either counter-DI in 6MK's case or potentially take the hit and smack you anyway if 5HP is charged up. While neutral jumping is an option to avoid some of his Drive Rush tools if the Drive Rush starts from far enough away, you may also get snagged by his SA1 or OD Siberian Blizzard (air Spinning Piledriver) if you do this too often. If he chooses to throw you with his other unique normal throws that leave him much closer to you, you may have to gamble on challenging with OD Cannon Spike to deal with grounded oki.
For Zangief players that like to jump at you to get in, use Cannon Spike to anti-air him when you can, or go for air-to-air normals if he's too close; Cannon Spike is generally a better bet since it has air invulnerability on its startup frames, which will keep some of Zangief's beefier normals from counterhitting your air normals if you mess up the timing. Cannon Spike also works as an answer to Knee Hammer if he's using it on the ground to advance a lot, as it's oftentimes a tool Zangief players use to buffer a Spinning Piledriver input when they land from it and he is in the air for a period of time while using it.
Be especially wary against a Zangief with 3 super meters, as the moment you get into range there's a chance that you may be grabbed by his SA3. The only way to avoid it is to be out of range or otherwise not throwable before the super flash goes off (unlike Lily and Manon's SA3s), so once he has the meter for SA3, you should be even more proactive in avoiding a close-range fight with him. This also extends to being more careful with your okizeme -- Zangief's SA3 is somewhere between his LP and MP SPD's range, slightly cutting back on its range compared to the Critical Art version, which is within LP SPD's larger range. You may have to commit to walking back more frequently or doing a backdash after a knockdown if you suspect that reversal SA3/CA is going to come out.
