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| Circle Mailorder: Yo
| | {{Infobox Character VSav |
| | |name=Q-Bee |
| | |image=VSAV-QBee-Portrait.gif |
| | |hp=Tier 4 (Low) |
| | |sh=6 (Average) |
| | |ch=11 (Shortest) |
| | |movef=3 |
| | |moveb=2.625 |
| | |dasht=Grounded Dash |
| | |jumpb=52 (3+46+3) |
| | |jumpn=51 (3+45+3) |
| | |jumpf=49 (3+43+3) |
| | |type=Flight |
| | }} |
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| Auto response from gbursine: its over ^_^
| | {{Navbox-VSav}} |
| | | [[Category:Darkstalkers games]] |
| Circle Mailorder: can I ask a question about q-bee?
| | [[Category: Vampire Savior (Darkstalkers 3)]] |
| gbursine: whats up?
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| Circle Mailorder: I'm trying to connect q-bee's crouching forward into hcf+punch
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| Auto response from gbursine: its over ^_^
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| Circle Mailorder: but because of negative edge, I end up doing her qcb+k move
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| Circle Mailorder: what's the best way to avoid this?
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| gbursine: you can do it off oc her crouching strong too
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| gbursine: but if you wanna do it off the crouching forward
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| gbursine: just hold the forward
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| gbursine: that way you avoid negative edge all together
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| Circle Mailorder: ah... keep it held down
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| Circle Mailorder: does crouching strong have more range?
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| gbursine: about the same
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| Circle Mailorder: hmm... any advantages? faster execution, or less recovery?
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| gbursine: just as good
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| gbursine: hits a bit lower
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| Circle Mailorder: I see..
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| Circle Mailorder: that's my only way of connecting into hcf+punch
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| Circle Mailorder: and even then, I have to land crouching+forward/strong pretty deep
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| Circle Mailorder: well, deep considering it's range
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: c.mp hits a bit lower
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| gbursine: both recover insanely fast
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| gbursine: the advantage of the c.mp is that you can chain into c.mk
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| gbursine: and recovery is about even
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| gbursine: after that
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| gbursine: so you can air dash in for more hi-lo mixup
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| Circle Mailorder: ah... hmm, I see
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| gbursine: ya
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| Circle Mailorder: so that's if I'm not deep enough
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| gbursine: yup
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| gbursine: c.mk hits a bit higher
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| gbursine: so it does a decent job of swatting the opponent out of a jump from afar
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| Circle Mailorder: I see
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| Circle Mailorder: I notice that q-bee can't cancel her dashes... so she kind of slides even when she executes an attack
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| Circle Mailorder: when I'm dashing in from a distance, I use standing strong for that range... but I'm not sure if I can link to anything else
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| gbursine: ya
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| Circle Mailorder: it seems like it's just a poke
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| gbursine: practice canceling into s.lp
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| gbursine: it recovers really fast
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| gbursine: you can still get hit
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| gbursine: but its does a decent enough job for you to do d.lp->airdash whatever
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| Circle Mailorder: so... dash in with standing strong punch, cancel into standing low punch?
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| gbursine: no
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| gbursine: on the ground
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| gbursine: you're going to dash
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| gbursine: and cancel it w/ a dashing lp
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| gbursine: either lp, mk or mp
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| gbursine: mp if you know they're gunna do shit, or not block
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| gbursine: b/c its got crazy reach
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| Circle Mailorder: yeah
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| gbursine: mk if they're somewhat close and u know they're about to jump
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| gbursine: and lp just to cancel the dash quickly
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| Circle Mailorder: ah... so if I cancel correctly, lp stops my momentum
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| gbursine: yup
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| Circle Mailorder: yeah, I really need to play q-bee better. right now, I'm playing her like Chun-Li... just doing mp and crouching strong/forward for pokes
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| Circle Mailorder: but yeah, I air dash in for that overhead mix-up
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| Circle Mailorder: but it's random
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: its like
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| gbursine: a controlled random
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| gbursine: her air normals are so good
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| Circle Mailorder: I use strong and roundhouse, should I be using others?
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: if they're right next to you
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| gbursine: use lk and lp
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| gbursine: if they're below you
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| gbursine: and you want to hit them pre-emptively
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| gbursine: use mp
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| gbursine: hp is always a nice failsafe if you think they'll do something like uppercut
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| Circle Mailorder: hmm.. I've guessed wrong with hp before, though.. and got punished for it
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| Circle Mailorder: maybe I need to do it lower
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| gbursine: with the hp?
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| gbursine: do it really early
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| gbursine: not late
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| Circle Mailorder: oh
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| gbursine: or else you'll end up eating something
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| gbursine: it turns off the momentum of the airdash
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| gbursine: which is what you need sometimes
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| gbursine: say against
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| gbursine: a demitri
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| gbursine: who's uppercut happy
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| gbursine: so you'll airdash, then hp
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| gbursine: and he'll upper right into bees
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| Circle Mailorder: ah, right... the bees act as a projectile, pretty much
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| gbursine: yup
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| gbursine: but they don't negate anything
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| gbursine: :-\
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| gbursine: not that she needs it
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| Circle Mailorder: ah : (
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| gbursine: since she can crouch under everything
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| Circle Mailorder: I see
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| Circle Mailorder: is her qcb+k ever good? or even the EX one?
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| Circle Mailorder: I'm thinking for random mixup
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| gbursine: the qcb+k move is decent
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| gbursine: like
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| gbursine: you can airdash
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| gbursine: then cancel into qcb+k move late
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| gbursine: giving yourself more airtime
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| gbursine: and avoiding alot of shit
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| gbursine: like
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| Circle Mailorder: oh..
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| gbursine: a well timed cancel can avoid lei lei's ground spikes
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| Circle Mailorder: ah, same with her delayed jump thing
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| gbursine: yup
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| gbursine: you can float, airdash, then jaguar tooth
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| Circle Mailorder: yeah, I never thought of using them like that
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| gbursine: you can also tack on a c.mp->c.mk after it
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| gbursine: she has nice frame advantage
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| Circle Mailorder: ah.. didn't know that
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| gbursine: ya
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| Circle Mailorder: thought it would just be a one-hit thing
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| Circle Mailorder: and I remembered it as a knockdown for some reason
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| Circle Mailorder: ah, reminds me... I need to do pursuit attacks -.-
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| gbursine: if it hits aerially
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| gbursine: but thats a given more often than not
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| gbursine: don't use the ES jaugar tooth
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| gbursine: she can better use her meter in other places
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| Circle Mailorder: speaking of meter, are there setups into her bees and honey goop ES?
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| Circle Mailorder: I always throw them randomly
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| Circle Mailorder: I only spend meter on the hcf+pp one
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| gbursine: ya
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| Circle Mailorder: .. which I also do randomly, or from c.strong/forward
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| gbursine: they're all impractical though
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| gbursine: the bee super is best used in anticipation
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| gbursine: on wakeup
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| gbursine: honey super is best used on knockdown
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| gbursine: then you mixup, hoping it lands
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| Circle Mailorder: ohh...
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| gbursine: or full screen
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| gbursine: then dash in with it as cover
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| Circle Mailorder: ah, right...
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| Circle Mailorder: it's pressure
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| gbursine: but using it fullscreen just doesnt work against alot of characters
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| gbursine: yup
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| Circle Mailorder: is her DF any good?
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| gbursine: maybe
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| gbursine: I havent found a way to utilize it well yet
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| gbursine: so i'm not at liberty to say yes or no
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| gbursine: lol
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| Circle Mailorder: ah, roger : )
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| Circle Mailorder: last question.... what are setups into hcf+pp other than c.strong/forward?
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| gbursine: c.strong/forard/short, s.mk
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| gbursine: you're basically going into them off the airdash
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| gbursine: if you honey them
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| gbursine: go right into the command throw
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| gbursine: b/c any normal move will knock them down
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| Circle Mailorder: I see..
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| gbursine: on the first hit
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| Circle Mailorder: alright, I will use these tips
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| gbursine: i will save this convo
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| gbursine: because
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| Circle Mailorder: a friend got VS for his sega saturn, so he's been ripping me up with Jedah, Morrigan and Sasquach >.<
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| gbursine: there is alot
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| gbursine: lol
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| gbursine: w/ jedah
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| gbursine: you halfto play a bit more cautiously
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| gbursine: use her j.hp alot
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| gbursine: but not crazily
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| Circle Mailorder: to stop him from tossing those disks?
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| gbursine: b/c his jumping hp beats out alot of her stuff clean
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| gbursine: no
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| gbursine: if he tosses disks
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| gbursine: dont be afraid to just airdash the hell out of him
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| Circle Mailorder: oh, haha
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| gbursine: morrigan just rush down
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| gbursine: b/c she has poo AA options
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| Circle Mailorder: haha
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| gbursine: sas iono
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| gbursine: i just rushdown
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| gbursine: lol
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| Circle Mailorder: gotcha
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: her airdashing lk will beat morrigan's uppercut clean
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| Circle Mailorder: oh, wow..
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| gbursine: ya
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| Circle Mailorder: sort of weird a lk would beat the priority of a shoryu-esque move
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: its all hitboxes
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| Circle Mailorder: I guess that's why Morrigan's mid-tier on the list I saw
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| Circle Mailorder: ah
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| gbursine: and theres no invincibility
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| Circle Mailorder: ah... that would do it
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| gbursine: just alot of priority
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| gbursine: yup
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| Circle Mailorder: thanks : )
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| gbursine: np dude
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| gbursine: where u from again?
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| Circle Mailorder: california
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| Circle Mailorder: and Arizona
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| gbursine: damn
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| gbursine: so far from jersey
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| gbursine: lol
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| Circle Mailorder: : p
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| Circle Mailorder: well, we can play on kalliera sometime
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| Circle Mailorder: although the lag is poop
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: we'll halfto plan it
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| gbursine: within the next two weeks
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| gbursine: b/c my connection will become significantly slower after that
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| Circle Mailorder: ehh, dunno how that's gonna work, then... I'm on VGA graphics right now and no sound
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| Circle Mailorder: I need to reformat, but I can't until I get a portable hard drive, which is in a week -,-
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| gbursine: lol
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| gbursine: something'll work out hopefully
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| Circle Mailorder: yep
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| Circle Mailorder: from your avatar, I guess you play Bulleta too?
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| gbursine: naw
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| gbursine: i kinda fake her
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| Circle Mailorder: oh, haha
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| gbursine: i play qbee, leilei, and aubath
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| gbursine: lol
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| gbursine: i play those 3 most proficiently
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| Circle Mailorder: I saw that combo on some japanese tournament videos... temptation or something
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| gbursine: but i can dabble w/ almost all the other characters well
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: crazy shit
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| gbursine: that combo tho
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| gbursine: has like
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| gbursine: 2 link windows
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| gbursine: all over the place
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| Circle Mailorder: other than Q-Bee, I'd like to like Victor and Phobos
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| gbursine: too much for my american hands
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| Circle Mailorder: haha
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| gbursine: victor i've got down
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| gbursine: on a stick
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| gbursine: lol
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| Circle Mailorder: yeah man, I pulled that off like... once out of 30 tries
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: the most i've ever gotten was 8 hits
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| Circle Mailorder: I traditionally play poking, turtling, tankish characters... so I'm hoping Victor is one of them : p
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: def
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| Circle Mailorder: if timed perfectly, can it be an infinite?
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| gbursine: yup
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| Circle Mailorder: wow, I see
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| gbursine: i have a superplay vid
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| gbursine: that has pretty much bb hood infiniting every character at some point or another
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| Circle Mailorder: oh, man...
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| Circle Mailorder: then Bulleta isn't banned because the infitine is just too hard to be used 100%.. ?
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| gbursine: naw
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| gbursine: its legit
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| gbursine: lol
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| gbursine: but its like rom i think
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| gbursine: it ends up doing so little damage
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| gbursine: you're better off finishing the combo
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| gbursine: and getting solid red damage
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| Circle Mailorder: ah... right
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| gbursine: ya
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| Circle Mailorder: makes sense
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| gbursine: and her command throw is bloody good
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| gbursine: normal throws
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| gbursine: are 1 frame
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| gbursine: her command throw
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| gbursine: is 2 or 3
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| gbursine: i forgot
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| gbursine: but fast as hell
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| Circle Mailorder: I didn't know she had one ; ;
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| gbursine: yup
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| gbursine: hcb+mp or hp
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| gbursine: she does this merry-go-round/tornado thing
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| Circle Mailorder: I'll have to try it
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| gbursine: ya
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| gbursine: it definitly adds to her mixup
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