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Oddball Overview Strategy Combo Strings

Overview

Oddball is one of the most dangerous characters in the game. His low dash cooldown allows him to dart around the stage rapidly, he has unique special attacks that double as mobility tools, and any string ending in a launcher can be converted into massive damage.

What Oddball really has going for him is that he is only one of two characters in the game that has access to a super launcher. Super Rising Shoulder sends whoever gets hit by it comically high into the air, and since Oddball possesses a palette of launching attacks both mid and low, learning how to convert stray hits into very high damaging super launcher strings (and learning the buffers to consistently land the hits) is a must when trying to master Oddball. Mastering him requires learning different routes and buffers to account for wall gravity messing with timings. Your reward for your hard work is a character that can convert 50%+ damage off of any mixup combo or punish string.

Oddball's biggest issue is his attack hitboxes. Even at point-blank range, they have a chance at missing your opponent completely if they're standing at an odd angle leaving open to a free combo.

At a glance:
Pros	Cons
Damage: Oddball can convert juggles into insane damage with his super launcher strings, leading to 50%+ combos even off of uncounterable strings. Fast Dash Cooldown: You can dart around the stage very quickly without the need to crouch cancel. Slippery Hurtbox: Some high attacks can miss him at certain angles. So Many Plus Frames: Almost all of Oddball's buttons are plus on his, which is very rare for Thrill Kill. Staggering opponents with his mid and low attacks is a breeze.	Difficult to play: Oddball requires a lot of execution to play well in regards to learning extended juggle strings and mixing up your hits to land launchers. Bad attack hitboxes: His launchers tend to whiff at certain angles, even at point-blank range. His low stance: His wide stance means low attacks have much longer range against him.

Oddball

Hitbox Diameter	4.5^u⌀ (Medium)
Movement Speed	6.0^u/s (4th fastest)
Dash Distance	9.8^u (6^th best)

Move List

Front Punch

Head Jab

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	3^f	6^f	-2 / +5	3	3.5^u	-	-
On the slower end as far as jabs go, but its range, active frames, and frame advantage is crazy.

Rising Shoulder

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	2^f	16^f	-11 / +25	4	4.4^u		-
Due to its diagonal attack animation and airborne hitbox, this move loses more than half of its range against crouching players.

Super Rising Shoulder

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	12^f	1^f	24^f	-18 / +78	9	0.4^u	SUPER	-
Character defining move. This attack is what makes all of Oddball's extended juggles possible, but it's not recommended you use it on its own due to its very poor range and recovery time.

Front Roll Escape

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
-	-	-	26^f	-	-	-	-	-
Does not offer any invincibility, however it's tiny hitbox and fast speed does make you difficult to hit, and you can perform a low/high mixup off of it. Cancels: - Flipped Out - Spin Sweep From Crouch

Neck Breaker

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	12^f	-	98^f	- / 0	28	0.5^u - 2.3^u		-
Very silly command normal that can be blocked, doesn't interact with crouching players at all, and ends up with both you and your opponent on the ground with 0 advantage. Never, ever use this.

Head Butt From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	1^f	9^f	-3 / 0	3	2.2^u	-	-
Your go-to low poke. With practice you can also use it to confirm into a Super Rising Shoulder, but the timing is very annoying. Cancels: - Rising Shoulder - Super Rising Shoulder

Back Punch

Head Butt

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	4^f	14^f	-11 / +3	4	3.0^u	-	-
Slow startup and poor recovery for a normal, but has tons of active frames.

Spinning Head Butt

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	7^f	18^f	-18 / +23	5	5.1^u		-
Oddballs's jumping hitbox and lots of active frames makes this an appealing launcher, though it comes with the same downsides that Rising Shoulder has in that it loses its range against crouching players.

Suicide Throw

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	19^f	2^f	10^f	-5 / +3	13	2.1^u - 12.2^u		Grounded
Very far reach and good for an extra OTG hit after a juggle, but it having a minimum range makes it tricky to use.

Back Roll Escape

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
-	-	-	26^f	-	-	-	-	-
Exactly the same as Front Roll Escape, but rolling backwards.

Head Case

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	42^f	37^f	-45 / -4	5/hit	-0.2^u		-
Oddball's corner juggle ender. You move backwards quite a lot during the startup, hence the move's negative range stat. You can press to cancel the move, which also rolls you forward some distance.

Rising Head From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	7^f	2^f	9^f	-4 / +51	5/hit	1.4^u		-
Great startup and recovery for a stun. One of the few crouching moves that stuns, let alone one that hits high. Bit of an odd one.

Spinning Head Butt

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	15^f	4^f	6^f	-3 / +27	9	16.9^u		Grounded
Very easy to spot with its long startup and it ends with you grounded, but has very good advantage and you can tap a direction to immediately move afterwards.

Front Kick

Forward High Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	1^f	12^f	-6 / +2	3	2.3^u	-	-
You best poke button to get offense off of you. Short ranged.

Psycho Sidekick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	3^f	10^f	-6 / +3	3	4.7^u	-	-
Your poke with the most frame advantage, usually strung into after a Forward High Kick as your "get off me" combo.

Ax Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	19^f	1^f	11^f	-5 / +3	21	5.5^u		-
Unlike most other slow knockdown moves that other characters have, Ax Kick has a ton of range and damage, and its advantage is pretty good even on block.

Suicide Drop

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	9^f	3^f	24^f	-19 / -4	4	5.1^u	-	-
A very fast and far reaching low that retreats after it hits making it's poor advantage not very much of an issue. Very nice to poke with, however it doesn't do very good damage.

Slow Leg Sweep

	Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
On Grab		11^f	-	61^f	-8 / -4	23	2.8^u		Grounded
On Hit		11^f	3^f	12^f	-8 / -3	5	5.3^u	-	Switch
Another terrible command move. Even though this grab hits low, you'll get a regular hit instead of the grab if they're blocking at all.

Straight Kick From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	2^f	9^f	-4 / +2	3	2.8^u	-	-
This would be a good low move if any combo strings. Either use it as an OTG string to add 4 damage, or use Spin Sweep From Crouch`` instead.

Back Kick

Mental Roundhouse

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	5^f	11^f	-9 / +2	3	3.9^u	-	-
A very wide kick hitbox.

Spinning Ax Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	7^f	1^f	13^f	-7 / +1	10	2.5^u		Switch
Pretty fast for a knockdown special, but with shorter range than it appears. Mostly used to string into the low-hitting roll launcher with .

Psycho Spin

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	9^f	3^f	9^f	-5 / +3	3	3.5^u	-	-
Can string into Spinning Head Butt for good damage. Would be much more useful if there was a true way to string into it, so you'll probably not use it often.

Flipped Out

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	11^f	5^f	10^f	-4 / +3	4/hit	7.5^u	-	-
Does completely insane damage when linked into depending on the size of your opponent's hitbox and their position. Great out of a roll or Suicide Kick, and strings into a low/high mixup.

Windmill

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	19^f	59^f	40^f	{{{advantage}}}	2/hit	3.7^u		Grounded
The bender. You can Forward Escape Roll () out of the attack early.

Spin Sweep From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	3^f	9^f	-5 / +2	5	4.1^u	-	-
Sweep with great range and good advantage. Sadly the Running Spin Kick afterwards hit high, else it would be a great low/high mixup string to get someone into the corner.

Sitting Delirious

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It's crazy time.

Hop

Roll

	Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
Enter Stance	-	28^f	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
If Oddball gets hit during the stance, he'll get juggled as if he was hit out of a stun.
Hop		4^f	1^f	18^f	-	14	2.6^u		-
Why does this hop do so much damage?!! One active frame makes it hard to juggle with, but it's worth the practice.
/ Roll		14^f	2^f	18^f	-	5	2.9^u - 12.9^u		-
Similar to Oddball's wakeup.
/ Exit Stance	-	-	-	47^f	-	-	-	-	-

Running Spin Kick

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	15^f	2^f	16^f	-11 / +33	8	3.6^u - 12.6^u		Switch
A pretty average high dash attack.

Grabs / Misc Moves

Oddball has 18^f of recovery on a missed grab.

Butt Swap

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	0^f	-	98^f	- / -3	14	0.8^u		-
Very underwhelming grab.

Donkey Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	0^f	-	44^f	- / +20	17	0.8^u		Grounded
A much better grab than Butt Swap. Great advantage (even if you end grounded), and good damage.

Neck Twister

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	0^f	-	95^f	- / +1	15	0.8^u		-
Also a pretty good grab. 15 is still on the lower end for grabs, but it's not worth complaining about.

Oddball doesn't have a rear grapple. His side-swap grapple is used instead.

Where Did You Go

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	0^f	-	37^f	- / +12	-	0.8^u		-
A standard side swap grab.

Lost It

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	-	-	46^f	-	-	-	-	-
Since it's quite fast compared to other character's taunt animation, this move can actually be used as a tool to help time Super Rising Shoulder juggle strings.

Thrill Kills

Thrill Kill 1 - No Inputs
Thrill Kill 2 - L1 +
Thrill Kill 3 - + +
Combo Kill - + + L1 +
Dance - + + + L1 +

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