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Judas Overview Strategy Combo Strings

Overview

Judas is an odd one. He is a conjoined twin, with one half being the legs and the other half dishing out the punishment. One half represents your two punch buttons, and the other represents your two kick buttons. This means Judas's move list is split between these two stances, simply known as punch stance and kick stance. If you press kick while in punch stance, you'll perform a stance change move. Same with pressing punch while in kick stance.

In punch stance, Judas has access to his insane damage. If you've ever faced against him in Arcade Mode, you'd be familiar with his string that deals 30% that the AI loves throwing out. This string can be optimized by inputting instead, and with a follow up juggle extension, can lead to a 68% combo off of a 6^f jab. If your opponent loves throwing out risky moves and dash attacks that are easily punished, Judas will eat them alive and look completely unfair and unstoppable in the process. However, punch stance lacks any good mixup options or good mids, meaning that you often sit and wait for your opponent to mess up so you can punish them while in the stance, as your other options for pressuring your opponent are either crouched or are very lacking.

Kick stance has very useful moves that can actually pressure opponents in neutral, however your damage is absolutely woeful in comparison. Kick stance can't properly string into its launcher, the hard knockdown move only does 4 damage, and your best juggles involve just switching back to punch stance and converting from there. That said, all your good mids and lows are here, allowing you to be proactive in neutral rather than reactive.

While a cool gimmick on the surface, Judas's big issue is that it effectively means you're playing with only half a move list at any one given time, and if you need to use a move from another stance, you cannot quickly change stances without opening yourself up to a punish from your opponent. While you can be sneaky any use crouching moves or grabs to change stance, it's ultimately an additional chore for you to manage during a game.

At a glance:
Pros	Cons
Mid-Stage Damage: Judas's 68% high punch string means that if your opponent makes a mistake you can punish with your jab, you can make them really pay for it. Great Grabs: Each of your grabs do amazing damage and act as an easy way to change stances.	Restrictive Move List: Your move list is split in half, meaning that you have very limited options at any one given time, and switching stances can sometimes be a huge vulnerability. Slow Attacks: Judas shockingly doesn't have a lot of 5^f moves, making punishes much harder than they should be. Kick Stance Damage: All the incredibly useful moves in kick stance deal almost zero damage.

Judas

Hitbox Diameter	4.4^u⌀ (Small)
Movement Speed	6.5^u/s (3^rd fastest)
Dash Distance	10.5^u (2^nd best)

Move List

Judas's gimmick is that he has a punch stance and a kick stance. If you're in punch stance, pressing either kick button will perform a stance switch attack. Same goes if you're in kick stance and you press either punch button.

Front Punch

Flip

(While in kick stance)

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	18^f	2^f	11^f	-6 / +27	6	2.3^u		Punch Stance
Judas flips around and strikes with a hard knockdown punch.

Right Jab

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	1^f	10^f	-4 / +2	4	2.6^u	-	-
A high right jab to the head.

Cross Punch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	2^f	16^f	-11 / +1	6	2.5^u	-	Switch
A slow hook attack.

Friendly Fight

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	12^f	57^f	1^f	+2 / ???	10	2.6^u		-
Judas GMod ragdolls around, capturing anyone nearby in the carnage. Your opponent can be flung back at a variety of speeds and heights, completely randomizing just how much advantage this moves gains on hit. Can be blocked standing or crouching.

Jab From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	2^f	14^f	-9 / +1	4	2.4^u	-	-
A crouching poke.

Back Punch

Flip

(While in kick stance)

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	3^f	10^f	-6 / +31	5	1.5^u		Punch Stance
A flipping uppercut.

Gut Punch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	7^f	1^f	18^f	-12 / 0	5	3.8^u	-	-
A very long ranged punch.

Swinging Gut Punch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	11^f	1^f	19^f	-13 / +42 (0)	7	4.2^u		-
A very long-ranged stunning punch.

Power Uppercut

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	18^f	2^f	30^f	-25 / +19	8	5.0^u		-
A really slow but very powerful and long-ranged uppercut. Your go-to launcher ender for massive damage.

Left Cross

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	1^f	14^f	-8 / +2	4	1.9^u	-	-
Another low jab with slightly better frames.

Gut Kick Pile Slam

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	Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
On Grab		12^f	-	98^f	-7 / 0	17	3.8^u		Kick Stance
On Hit		12^f	1^f	13^f	-7 / +3	2	4.4^u	-	-
Switches you to kick stance. Does not grab blocking players. Also one of the few command attacks in the game that can be properly string into.

Multi Head Spin

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	11^f	16^f	25^f	-21 / +9	4 x 5hits	2.3^u		-
A low damage spin move. Can rack up damage with multiple hits in the corner.

Running Clothesline

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	16^f	2^f	24^f	-19 / -11	12	11.9^u		-
Judas sprints forwards and lariats his opponent.

Front Kick

Flip

(From punch stance)

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	11^f	3^f	12^f	-8 / +28	8	2.0^u		-
Slightly different from the flipping uppercut. This one is slower but higher damage and has slightly better range.

Fast Chop

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	1^f	7^f	-1 / +5	2	3.2^u	-	-
I dunno game, 8^f startup doesn't sound too fast to me. Fantastic advantage, though.

Slow Chop

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	7^f	2^f	10^f	-5 / 0	3	5.1^u	-	Switch
Very long ranged chop that hits mid. Slow Chop has faster startup than this does. Whoever named these moves should be fired.

Drop Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	2^f	14^f	-9 / +19	3	4.8^u		-
A crawling, launching hit that doesn't result in a lot of height.

Pommel Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	11^f	3^f	11^f	-7 / 0	2	6.0^u	-	-
A helicopter leg(?) sweep.

Back Kick

Flip

(From punch stance)

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	7^f	2^f	12^f	-7 / +48 (+6)	6	1.8^u		Kick Stance
A stunning flip punch.

Cross Swipe

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	2^f	10^f	-5 / +2	3	3.4^u	-	-
A swinging attack.

Forward Lunge Punch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	1^f	10^f	-4 / +32	4	4.6^u		Switch
A long ranged hard knockdown punch. Not much way in the damage.

Rising Power Fist

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	2^f	17^f	-12 / +31	3	2.5^u		-
A short ranged upwards punch that sends your opponent high into the air.

Handspring Stun

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	12^f	21^f	-16 / +39 (-3)	2 x 2hits	6.4^u		-
A rolling stun

Multi Backspin

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	17^f	22^f	28^f	{{{advantage}}}	2 x 8hits	2.3^u		-
Judas turns into a blender.

Grabs / Misc Moves

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
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