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Cain Overview Strategy Combo Strings

Overview

Cain is the only zoner of the cast, with a lot of his attacks having extremely disjointed hurtboxes or are projectile attacks. Incinerator () in particular has such a long hitbox that even if opponents high counter it, they'll be too far away to actually hit you with their body slam.

On top of his zoning game, Cain's juggles are unmatched for a character without access to a super juggle. Both your punish combos and your mixup-combos lead to a juggle, which can be optimized to bag over 50% damage without the aid of the corner.

His combos often consist of one special move after another, stringing together into massive damage. However stringing several special moves together (especially ones that require a lot of back-forward, quarter circle, and half circle inputs in a row) can be difficult and frustrating to time correctly.

At a glance:
Pros	Cons
Range: Cain can wall characters out with both Incinerator and Flame Stomp, making it extremely difficult for opponents to quickly dash attack or r-cancel in. Insane juggles: Almost nobody else except for Oddball and Mammoth can bag as much damage as Cain can mid-stage off of their punish and mixup strings, and combos ending in Incinerator put your opponent right back up against the wall and undo any progress they've made on trying to reach you.	Extremely execution heavy: All of Cain's high damaging juggles require you to string multiple multi-directional special move inputs in a row, which requires good timing and lots of practice. Dropping key combos under pressure will be an issue. Poor mobility: Cain is ranked among the worst in terms of move speeds and dash distances in the game. He's spooky: Aaaah! Skeletons!

Cain

Hitbox Diameter	4.3^u⌀ (Small)
Movement Speed	3.1^u/s (2^nd slowest)
Dash Distance	8.8^u (3^rd worst)

Move List

Front Punch

Jab Punch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	1^f	10^f	-4 / +2	3	2.4^u	-	-
Description needed. Cancels: - Two Handed Stun

Stomach Swipe

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	2^f	11^f	-6 / +4	3	4.2^u	-	-
Description needed. Cancels: - Flaming Shoulder Charge - Jab From Crouch - Incinerator - Uppercut Kick

Two Handed Stun

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	2^f	19^f	-14 / +41 (-1)	5	2.7^u		-
Description needed. Cancels: - Power Uppcercut - Incinerator

Power Uppercut

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	18^f	1^f	22^f	-16 / +20	5	1.9^u		-
Description needed. Cancels: - Dragon Breath

Flaming Shoulder Charge

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	11^f	1^f	14^f	-8 / +28	7	4.9^u		Switch
Description needed.

Jab From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	2^f	13^f	-7 / -3	3	2.1^u	-	-
Description needed.

Back Punch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Front Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	2^f	17^f	-12 / -1	3	4.1^u	-	Switch
Description needed. Cancels: - Flame Puff From Crouch

Low Front Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	2^f	14^f	-9 / -2	3	3.9^u	-	-
Description needed. Cancels: - Stomach Swipe

Power Thrust Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	1^f	13^f	-7 / +35	9	7.3^u		Switch
Description needed.

Uppercut Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	12^f	1^f	18^f	-12 / +26	5	2.6^u		-
Description needed. Cancels: - Turning Flames - Incinerator

Backdraft

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	16^f	7^f	8^f	-3 / +3	1	3.6^u	-	-
Comedy move. Deals very little damage and has no cancels.

Kick From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	7^f	2^f	17^f	-12 / -7	3	2.5^u	-	-
Description needed.

Back Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Grabs / Misc Moves

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
File:.png	-	-	-	{{{advantage}}}	-	-	-	-
Description needed.

TK Navigation

General

Controls and Notation

System

Tier List

FAQ

Characters

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