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Belladonna Overview Strategy Combo Strings

Overview

Belladonna is an excellent choice to learn Thrill Kill with. She has everything you need to plays the main meta perfectly: a string that attacks and launches a crouching player, safe strings to counter-hit with, and a few mix-up strings to get around blocks. Belladonna can reliably 3-touch her opponents with her high-damage mid-stage BnB juggles, and her damage in the corner is only rivaled by Dr. Faustus. With her long-reaching dash, she can utilize r-canceling to fly in at moment's notice with a string and convert it into a launcher for tons of damage.

Where Belladonna struggles the most is her very poor wake-up game. Both her Rising Cattle Prod and Splits Kick wake-up attacks have extremely poor recovery, neither hard knockdown allowing you space to breathe, and neither lead to much damage. If you get on the ropes, it can be a nightmare to get back into the game against a skilled opponent.

At a glance:
Pros	Cons
Longest dash in the game: While her dash cooldown isn't great, the distance she can close at a moment's notice makes her dangerous at any range. Great strings: Her safe punish string, mixup strings, and her crouch killer string are all solid. Great damage output: Most of her strings lead to juggles, and she can take about a third of a life bar anywhere on the stage. The Rising Prod Spin corner juggle takes almost two-thirds of a life bar if you're able to launch a cornered opponent.	Large diameter hurtbox: She has the second largest hurtbox in the game when standing. Lacks variety: While the strings she does have are very good, they offer no branching paths to mix up your opponent's block/counter timing. Terrible wakeup attacks: It can be a real struggle to get back into the game after you suffer a knockdown since both of your wakeup attacks have long recovery times, neither of them hard knockdown, and neither lead into to much damage.

Belladonna

Hitbox Diameter	5.0^u⌀ (Large)
Movement Speed	6.0^u/s (4th fastest)
Dash Distance	10.6^u (Fastest in the game)

Move List

Front Punch

Straight Jab

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	1^f	9^f	-3 / +4	3	2.0^u	-	-
Poor range for a high poke, but excellent advantage and frame data. Cancels: - Backslap

Backslap

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	2^f	13^f	-8 / -2	4	3.3^u	-	-
A slight sacrifice of startup and advantage for range and damage. Doesn't have a lot of good combo strings, and is mostly used as a juggle extension since it strings (untrue) into Ball Kick, which then strings to Rising Prod Spin. Cancels: - Splits Kick

Bitch Slap

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	1^f	15^f	-9 / +18	10	6.6^u		-
Very good range and advantage on hit, but you're more than likely striking with something else when you counter-hit.

Low Slap From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	2^f	14^f	-9 / -2	2	2.0^u	-	-
Terrible recovery for a crouch attack.

Back Punch

Prod Slash

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	7^f	3^f	16^f	-11 / +3	3	3.7^u	-	-
Not great recovery, but great range and active frames.

Self Body Shock
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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	23^f	36^f	6^f	-9 / +14	10	3.8^u		-
After charging for 32^f, Belladonna becomes a shining hitbox for over a full second, zapping anyone who gets near. You cannot charge an additional Self Body Shock while you're already performing one.

Prod Poke

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	1^f	17^f	-11 / +44 (+2)	4	2.1^u		-
Too short a range and not enough active frames to be that good. It's a bit of an orphan move since there's no way to truly string into it, either. Ball Kick is your better stun move choice. Cancels: - Knee Thrust

Overhead Prod Slam

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	16^f	3^f	17^f	-13 / -5	7	6.0^u		-
Way too slow to use on its own. Mostly comes up as a string ender.

Prod Swing

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	2^f	14^f	-8 / +28	6	2.6^u		-
Batter up! Not a bad move, mostly used as a combo ender after a Vegas Vertical to line drive an opponent into the corner.

Prod Slash From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	11^f	1^f	15^f	-9 / 0	4	2.7^u	-	-
No combo strings, bad range, and terrible advantage. Avoid using.

Rising Prod Spin

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	12^f	13^f	35^f	-30 / -7	9/hit	5.5^u		-
Your go-to juggle ender in the corner. It's minus on hit, but no other move matches its damage in the corner when every hit lands.

Running Prod Swing

/

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	15^f	2^f	26^f	-21 / +15	9	11.3^u		-
Mediocre startup, range, and recovery for a dash attack. An assured death for you if it gets blocked.

Front Kick

Quick Thrust

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	1^f	10^f	-4 / +4	3	4.7^u	-	Switch
An excellent button. Great startup, range, startup, hits mid, and its advantage is very good for this game.

Knee Thrust

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	1^f	15^f	-9 / +24	4	3.9^u		Switch
Stupidly fast startup and good range for a launcher. It also has a lot of travel to it which helps get closer to the corner during juggles. Cancels: - Overhead Prod Slam - Prod Swing

Forward Heel Flip

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	16^f	4^f	18^f	-15 / -7	9	8.4^u		Switch
Very bleh move. Long range, but very minus on hit. Avoid using.

Ball Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	1^f	15^f	-9 / +46 (+4)	5	4.2^u		Switch
Decent range as far as stuns go. For the most part you'll mostly use this in juggles to cancel into Rising Prod Spin as an ender. Cancels: / - Rising Prod Spin - Knee Thrust

Forward Cartwheel

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	19^f	3^f	9^f	-3 / +4	5/hit	10.9^u	-	-
One of Belledonna's best stand-alone specials. Very slow startup, but you get superb range and low enough disadvantage that it's virtually safe on block. If someone blocks it, you can deal 85 damage with it's low/high string afterwards in the corner, or you can buffer a grab they only have three frames to react to.

Low Leg Jab From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	1^f	15^f	-9 / -2	2	3.5^u	-	-
Bad advantage, less range than it looks, but it strings into a mid launcher.

Back Kick

Side Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	9^f	1^f	18^f	-12 / -5	3	4.8^u	-	Switch
Mostly used as a combo filler button since it can cancel into either Overhead Prod Slam or (more usefully) Vegas Vertical. Cancels: - Overhead Prod Slam - Vegas Vertical

Vegas Vertical

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	9^f	1^f	14^f	-8 / +28	6	3.3^u		Switch
Your best mid-string launcher, however on its own it's short range and average startup doesn't make it your best choice for a launcher over Knee Thrust. Cancels: - Prod Swing

Splits Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	7^f	2^f	17^f	-12 / +1	4	4.4^u	-	-
Excellent move. Great disjointed hitbox, can low profile high attacks and certain mids, and it's a low combo starter.

Slap Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	2^f	19^f	/ +1	4	3.3^u	-	Switch
A filler move. Can string into a Forward Cartwheel to give it bonus damage, but its bad startup doesn't make that an appealing option during an actual battle. Cancels: - Forward Cartwheel

Backward Cartwheel

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	12^f	7^f	12^f	-7 / -4	6	-8.9^u		-
A fairly useless retreating move. You might be able to hit someone with this in a chaotic free-for-all, but outside of that you won't be using this.

Triple Attack

	Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
On Grab		11^f	14^f	10^f	- / +16	24	1.1^u		-
On Hit		11^f	1^f	18^f	-12 / -7	5	-0.2^u	-	-
Terrible command grab. Too slow and way too short ranged to be practically used. Doesn't grab someone who's blocking, even if they're high blocking.

Rising Kick From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	12^f	3^f	16^f	+18	3	2.3^u		-
Poor range, but good active frames. Most of your crouch attacks string into this. Unfortunately this launcher severely limited by its recovery time, as it's too long to catch your opponent with any of your standing strikes. Cancels: - Forward Heel Flip

Running Splits

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	18^f	2^f	28^f	/ -15	7	14.3^u		-
A garbage sprint attack. It hits low, but it leads to a regular knockdown, has terrible startup and equally terrible advantage.

Grabs / Misc Moves

Belladonna's whiffed grab recovery is 18^f.

Crotch Crush

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	0^f	-	86^f	- / -13	17	0.9^u		Switch
Both of Belladonna's grabs have terrible advantage, so its best to stay away from using them unless you're really in trouble and need a 0 frame move. At the very least the backwards cartwheel can create space for some immediate wake-up attacks to not hit you (funnily enough it has a hitbox, too).

Slap And Tickle

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	0^f	-	78^f	- / -15	18	0.9^u		Switch
Even more disadvantage than Crotch Crush and lacks the retreat, but it deals an extra point of damage.

Rear Grab

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	0^f	-	44^f	- / +65	22	0.9^u	(...technically)	-
Damaging, however your opponent has invincibility to any standing attack while they're getting up. Any attack that uses L2 will hit them. This sadly limits what strings you can go for after getting the rare opportunity to rear grab.

Swap Places

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	0^f	-	41^f	- / +15	6	0.9^u		-
One of the few swap grabs in the game that deals damage. If you're going to grab someone, go with this one for sure.

Taunt

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
-	-	-	141^f	-	-	-	-	-
The (apparently) controversial moan taunt. You can press during the taunt for a Triple Attack.

Thrill Kills

Thrill Kill 1- No Inputs
Thrill Kill 2 - +
Thrill Kill 3 - + + L1 +
Combo Kill - + + L1
Dance - + + + + L1

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-  |description=Poor range for a high poke, but excellent advantage and frame data.}}
+  |description=Poor range for a high poke, but excellent advantage and frame data.
+----
+<b>Cancels:</b></br>
+{{TKin|i=f|c=1}}{{TKin|i=1}} - Backslap}}
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-  |description=A slight sacrifice of startup and advantage for range and damage. Doesn't have a lot of good combo strings, and is mostly used as a juggle extension since it strings (untrue) into ''Ball Kick'', which then strings to ''Rising Prod Spin''.}}
+  |description=A slight sacrifice of startup and advantage for range and damage. Doesn't have a lot of good combo strings, and is mostly used as a juggle extension since it strings (untrue) into ''Ball Kick'', which then strings to ''Rising Prod Spin''.
+----
+<b>Cancels:</b></br>
+{{TKin|i=b|c=1}}{{TKin|i=f|c=1}}{{TKin|i=4}} - Splits Kick}}
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   |stance=
-  |description=Too short a range and not enough active frames to be that good. It's a bit of an orphan move since there's no way to truly string into it, either. ''Ball Kick'' is your better stun move choice.}}
+  |description=Too short a range and not enough active frames to be that good. It's a bit of an orphan move since there's no way to truly string into it, either. ''Ball Kick'' is your better stun move choice.
+----
+<b>Cancels:</b></br>
+{{TKin|i=f|c=1}}{{TKin|i=3}} - Knee Thrust}}
 }}
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   |property=[[File:Knockdown.png]]
   |stance=
-  |description=Your go-to string ender. It's minus on hit, but no other move matches its damage in the corner when every hit lands.}}
+  |description=Your go-to juggle ender in the corner. It's minus on hit, but no other move matches its damage in the corner when every hit lands.}}
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   |property=[[File:Launch.png]]
   |stance=Switch
-  |description=Stupidly fast startup and good range for a launcher. It also has a lot of travel to it which helps get closer to the corner during juggles.}}
+  |description=Stupidly fast startup and good range for a launcher. It also has a lot of travel to it which helps get closer to the corner during juggles.
+----
+<b>Cancels:</b></br>
+{{TKin|i=b|c=1}}{{TKin|i=f|c=1}}{{TKin|i=2}} - Overhead Prod Slam</br>
+{{TKin|i=qc|c=1}}{{TKin|i=2}} - Prod Swing}}
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   |property=[[File:Dzzy.png]]
   |stance=Switch
-  |description=Decent range as far as stuns go. For the most part you'll mostly use this in juggles to cancel into ''Rising Prod Spin'' as an ender.}}
+  |description=Decent range as far as stuns go. For the most part you'll mostly use this in juggles to cancel into ''Rising Prod Spin'' as an ender.
+----
+<b>Cancels:</b></br>
+{{TKin|i=hc|c=1}}{{TKin|i=1}} '''/''' {{TKin|i=2}} - Rising Prod Spin</br>
+{{TKin|i=f|c=1}}{{TKin|i=3}} - Knee Thrust}}
 }}
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-  |description=One of Belledonna's best stand-alone specials. Very slow startup, but you get superb range and low enough disadvantage that it's virtually safe on block (unless your opponent throws you on reaction, but even then you may be far enough away that they'll whiff the attempt).}}
+  |description=One of Belledonna's best stand-alone specials. Very slow startup, but you get superb range and low enough disadvantage that it's virtually safe on block. If someone blocks it, you can deal 85 damage with it's low/high string afterwards in the corner, or you can buffer a grab they only have three frames to react to.}}
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-  |description=Mostly used as a combo filler button since it can cancel into either ''Overhead Prod Slam'' or (more usefully) ''Vegas Vertical''.}}
+  |description=Mostly used as a combo filler button since it can cancel into either ''Overhead Prod Slam'' or (more usefully) ''Vegas Vertical''.
+----
+<b>Cancels:</b></br>
+{{TKin|i=f|c=1}}{{TKin|i=b|c=1}}{{TKin|i=2}} - Overhead Prod Slam</br>
+{{TKin|i=f|c=1}}{{TKin|i=4}} - Vegas Vertical}}
 }}
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   |property=[[File:Launch.png]]
   |stance=Switch
-  |description=Your best mid-string launcher, however on its own it's short range and average startup doesn't make it your best choice for a launcher over ''Knee Thrust''.}}
+  |description=Your best mid-string launcher, however on its own it's short range and average startup doesn't make it your best choice for a launcher over ''Knee Thrust''.
+----
+<b>Cancels:</b></br>
+{{TKin|i=qc|c=1}}{{TKin|i=2}} - Prod Swing}}
 }}
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   |property=
   |stance=
-  |description=Fair range for a low starter, however the combo it strings into hits high, so it's not great for pressuring crouching players.}}
+  |description=Excellent move. Great disjointed hitbox, can low profile high attacks and certain mids, and it's a low combo starter.}}
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   |property=
   |stance=Switch
-  |description=A filler move. Can string into a ''Forward Cartwheel'' to give it bonus damage, but its bad startup doesn't make that an appealing option during an actual battle.}}
+  |description=A filler move. Can string into a ''Forward Cartwheel'' to give it bonus damage, but its bad startup doesn't make that an appealing option during an actual battle.
+----
+<b>Cancels:</b></br>
+{{TKin|i=hc|c=1}}{{TKin|i=3}} - Forward Cartwheel}}
 }}
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   |property=[[File:Launch.png]]
   |stance=
-  |description=Poor range, but good active frames. Most of your crouch attacks string into this. Unfortunately this launcher severely limited by its recovery time, as it's too long to catch your opponent with any of your standing strikes.}}
+  |description=Poor range, but good active frames. Most of your crouch attacks string into this. Unfortunately this launcher severely limited by its recovery time, as it's too long to catch your opponent with any of your standing strikes.
+----
+<b>Cancels:</b></br>
+{{TKin|i=b|c=1}}{{TKin|i=f|c=1}}{{TKin|i=3}} - Forward Heel Flip}}
 }}
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-<br/>
+----
+==Thrill Kills==
+Thrill Kill 1- No Inputs</br>
+Thrill Kill 2 - {{TKin|i=3}} + {{TKin|i=b}}</br>
+Thrill Kill 3 - {{TKin|i=1}} + {{TKin|i=4}} + '''L1''' + {{TKin|i=d}}</br>
+Combo Kill - {{TKin|i=2}} + {{TKin|i=3}} + '''L1'''</br>
+Dance - {{TKin|i=1}} + {{TKin|i=2}} + {{TKin|i=3}} + {{TKin|i=4}} + '''L1'''</br></br>
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 [[Category:Thrill Kill]]
 [[Category:Belladonna]]