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Cain Overview Strategy Combo Strings

Overview

Cain is the only zoner of the cast, with a lot of his attacks having extremely disjointed hurtboxes or are projectile attacks. Incinerator () in particular has such a long hitbox that even if opponents high counter it, they'll be too far away to actually hit you with their body slam.

On top of his zoning game, Cain's juggles are unmatched for a character without access to a super juggle. Both your punish combos and your mixup-combos lead to a juggle, which can be optimized to bag over 50% damage without the aid of the corner.

His combos often consist of one special move after another, stringing together into massive damage. However stringing several special moves together (especially ones that require a lot of back-forward, quarter circle, and half circle inputs in a row) can be difficult and frustrating to time correctly.

At a glance:
Pros	Cons
Range: Cain can wall characters out with both Incinerator and Flame Stomp, making it extremely difficult for opponents to quickly dash attack or r-cancel in. Insane juggles: Almost nobody else except for Oddball and Mammoth can bag as much damage as Cain can mid-stage off of their punish and mixup strings, and combos ending in Incinerator put your opponent right back up against the wall and undo any progress they've made on trying to reach you.	Extremely execution heavy: All of Cain's high damaging juggles require you to string multiple multi-directional special move inputs in a row, which requires good timing and lots of practice. Dropping key combos under pressure will be an issue. Poor mobility: Cain is ranked among the worst in terms of move speeds and dash distances in the game. He's spooky: Aaaah! Skeletons!

Cain

Hitbox Diameter	4.3^u⌀ (Small)
Movement Speed	3.1^u/s (2^nd slowest)
Dash Distance	8.8^u (3^rd worst)

Move List

Front Punch

Jab Punch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	5^f	1^f	10^f	-4 / +2	3	2.4^u	-	-
Your go-to high combo starter button. Cancels: - Two Handed Stun

Stomach Swipe

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	2^f	11^f	-6 / +4	3	4.2^u	-	-
Mostly a combo filler attack since it cancels into some nasty special moves. Cancels: - Flaming Shoulder Charge - Jab From Crouch - Incinerator - Uppercut Kick

Two Handed Stun

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	2^f	19^f	-14 / +41 (-1)	5	2.7^u		-
Another combo filler move, usually canceled into a power uppercut during juggles. Cancels: - Power Uppcercut - Incinerator

Power Uppercut

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	18^f	1^f	22^f	-16 / +20	5	1.9^u		-
An incredibly slow starting launcher, but comes out really fast if it's canceled into. Cancels: - Dragon Breath

Flaming Shoulder Charge

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	11^f	1^f	14^f	-8 / +28	7	4.9^u		Switch
This move has slow startup, but it's hitbox size and range is extremely good. Often used to extend juggles because of how low to the ground it reaches and how high up it juggles the opponent. Cancels: - Two Handed Stun - Incinerator

Jab From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	2^f	13^f	-7 / -3	3	2.1^u	-	-
A simple low jab.

Back Punch

Fire Eater

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	8^f	0^f	+1 / +8	4	3.1^u	-	-
This fire lasts for quite a long time after you attack with it, and can prevent players from attacking you during the short time it's out. Because it lasts so long, you can actually begin any string with it if you have enough time.

Turning Flames

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	12^f	0^f	-3 / +17	4	5.5^u		-
Probably your least-used projectile attack. Dragon Breath and Incinerator just outclass it. Cancels: - Incinerator

Dragon Breath

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	16^f	0^f	-7 / +22	6	7.8^u		-
One of your best zoning tools, and can cancel to Incinerator. You're going to annoy a lot of people with this move. Cancels: - Incinerator

Incinerator

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	12^f	10^f	9^f	-11 / +25	8	10.2^u		-
Your best move. Extremely long range (long enough that opponents can high counter it and miss you, allowing you to punish their counter), and very high damage when used as a combo ender.

Combustion

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	13^f	34^f	44^f	{{{advantage}}}	8	1.3^u		Switch
A short-ranged area-of-effect attack. Very easily high blocked, and leaves you incredibly vulnerable afterwards. Avoid using.

Flame Puff From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	11^f	15^f	0^f	-8 / +47 (+5)	4	3.8^u		-
One of the few low-hitting stunning moves in the game. Very useful to have in your back pocket.

Running Flames

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	14^f	7^f	20^f	-20 / +22	10	14.7^u		-
A flaming shoulder charge. Nice to mix in when your opponent is expecting you to keep your distance and is getting used to your sliding kick attack, but this leaves you incredibly open if it's blocked.

Front Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	10^f	2^f	17^f	-12 / -1	3	4.1^u	-	Switch
Description needed. Cancels: - Flame Puff From Crouch

Low Front Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	6^f	2^f	14^f	-9 / -2	3	3.9^u	-	-
Description needed. Cancels: - Stomach Swipe

Power Thrust Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	8^f	1^f	13^f	-7 / +35	9	7.3^u		Switch
Description needed.

Uppercut Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	12^f	1^f	18^f	-12 / +26	5	2.6^u		-
Description needed. Cancels: - Turning Flames - Incinerator

Backdraft

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	16^f	7^f	8^f	-3 / +3	1	3.6^u	-	-
Comedy move. Deals very little damage and has no cancels.

Kick From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	7^f	2^f	17^f	-12 / -7	3	2.5^u	-	-
Description needed.

Back Kick

Side Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	9^f	1^f	19^f	-13 / -2	4	5.1^u	-	Switch
Description needed. Cancels: - Turning Flames - Incinerator - Flame Puff From Crouch - Low Front Kick - Power Thrust Kick

Spin Kick

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	14^f	1^f	16^f	-10 / +25	5	1.5^u		Switch
Description needed. Cancels: - Flaming Shoulder Charge - Uppercut Kick

Flame Stomp

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	13^f	16^f	2^f	-9 / +24	7	7.7^u		-
Description needed. Cancels: - Dragon Breath - Spin Kick - Sweep From Crouch

Ball Of Fire

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	15^f	12^f	24^f	-25 / +1	4	10.4^u		-
Description needed.

Quake Of Fire

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	19^f	20^f	7^f	-8 / +13	5	8.4^u		-
Description needed.

Sweep From Crouch

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	9^f	4^f	18^f	-14 / +14	3	4.4^u		-
Description needed. Cancels: - Power Uppcercut - Spin Kick

Running Slide

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Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	14^f	8^f	24^f	-25 / +2	5	16.8^u		Switch
Description needed.

Grabs / Misc Moves

Cain's miss grab animation is 18^f.

Rear Ignition

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	1^f	0^f	104^f	+12	17	0.8^u		-
Cain throws his opponent to the ground face first and brands their behind with his hands.

Cremation

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	1^f	0^f	81^f	+9	18	0.8^u		-
Cain envelops his opponent in a warm embrace.

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	1^f	0^f	95^f	+27	24	0.8^u		Switch
Cain military presses his opponent and hurls them forward.

Swap Places

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
	1^f	0^f	32^f	+12	0	0.8^u		-
Cain's side-switch grapple.

Light A Match

Hit	Startup	Active	Recovery	Adv. (Block / Hit)	Damage	Range	Property	Stance
-	-	-	160^f	-	-	-	-	-
Cain lights a match and flicks it forwards. Cancels: - Incinerator

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