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Normals

cl.L

close s.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
35	Mid (Whiffs crouching)	50	Spc/OD/KA	6	2	7	15	6	4	-
Cancelable into Light attacks. Mediocre normal, since its slower then all other cl.l normals and doesn't convert into f.l without S3.3 or OD, despite its good advantage on hit

cl.M

close s.M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
70	Mid	100	Spc/OD/KA	9	3	15	27	air flip	-2	-

cl.H

close s.H

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
close s.H	95	Mid	150	Any	11	4	22	37	-3	-7	-
This is your main DP punish when it doesn't push you too far on block. Unlike boot, this doesn't scale the rest of the combo, and leads to some of Talos' biggest damage. It is also cancelable into any ground attack except itself, which allows for utility such as cancelling into S1.1 for tick throws, 'reverse-beat' into f.l to stay, and boot to catch backdashes/jumps.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
close s.H (alt)	85	Mid	100	Any	11	4	24	39	-5	-9	-
Same properties as the first version, but slightly different frame data. This is what you get if you cancel cl.h into itself.

f.L

far s.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
35	Mid	50	Spc/OD/KA	7	2	8	17	5	3	-
Alright keep-out tool, althought forshadowed by f.m. however it has its uses if using S3.3 since f.l > S3.3 > S3.3/OD is an actual hitconfirm. It can also be used for tick throws in offense, and allows for good resets at the end of combos.

f.M

far s.M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
75	Mid	100	OD/KA	8	3	13	24	3	0	-
Talos' best poke for grond control. Only 1 frame slower then f.l and excellent recovery and range for its speed, it makes for a great tool to challenge ground approaches to encourage jumps. It'ss biggest issue, tho, is that it provides no reward what so ever, not even using KA

f.H

far s.H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
110	Mid	200	OD/KA	12	5	21	38	-3	-7	-

cr.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
35	Mid	50	Spc/OD/KA	7	2	8	17	5	3	-
cancelable into Light attacks

cr.M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
70	Low	100	Spc/OD/KA	9	3	16	28	0	-3	-
Decent range low that also converts into S3.3, giving it good use in neutral. not very useful otherwise

cr.H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
105	Low	150	KnAdv	10	4	22	36	sweep	-7	-

dj.L

diagonal j.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
55	High	50	Special	6	15	-	-	-	-	-
Biggest highlight of this normal is its whooping 15 active frames. This makes it very good for meaties and rewarding combos/pressure on block. You'll use this a lot after knockdowns

dj.M

diagonal j.M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
85	High	100	None	7	10	-	-	-	-	-

dj.H

diagonal j.H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
105	High	200	None	8	7	-	-	-	-	-
long range, high damage and great active frames make this a good jump in that can hit deep. not much more then that because it takes time to startup and very inclined downwards.

nj.L

neutral j.L

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
55	High	50	Special	6	15	-	-	-	-	-
Stop sign. Very quick air to air with great range and good active frames, you can even stuff some approach if you do it low to the ground.

nj.M

neutral j.M

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Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
85	High	100	None	7	10	-	-	-	-	-

nj.H

neutral j.H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
105	High	200	None	8	7	-	-	-	-	-

B+M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
70	Mid	100	Spc/OD/KA	10	4	22	36	-7	-10	-
pulls opponents inward

F+H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
115	Mid	150	KnAdv	15	4	27	46	wall bounce	-12	-
The boot. armored during frames 1-15, so it can function as a semi-reversal that is not liimited by cooldown. It's a good tool to use and take turns when you expect an opponent to mash. Its long reach also make it good to beat backdashes; Tho, it applies 50% damage/dizzy/meter reduction as combo starter so the reward is underwhelming at times, is very unsafe on block and has a slow startup, so overusing this is a very bad idea.

j.D+M

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
85	High	100	None	7	12	-	-	-	-	-
125% gravity during first 20 frames

j.D+H

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
105	High	200	None	8	7	-	-	-	-	-
crossup air attack

Throws

Forward Throw

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
55+55	Unblk	50+0	KnAdv	5	3	27	35	-	-	-
Faster then the command grab, tho not as damaging and just as bad to whiff. Can convert into a combo with KA6, simillar to uncharged S1.1.

Back Throw

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
135	Unblk	150	None	5	3	27	35	-	-	-

Air Throw

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
60+60	Unblk	125+0	None	5	3	-	-	-	-	-
Actually pretty useful in combos, since Talos can juggle a f.l afterwards and either go into knockdown with S3.3 or get a reset into S1.1/boot mix.

Specials

S1.1

Meteor Breaker Charge

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Meteor Breaker Charge	-	-	-	Other	3	-	-	90	-	-	-
Chargeable until frame 90; transitions into Quick Meteor Breaker after frames 3-24 and Charged Meteor Breaker after frame 25; dash-cancelable after frame 5; armored after 25 frames; auto-faces opponent. You will be using this stance to bait mashing during mixups while setting up a charge command grab.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Quick Meteor Breaker	100+75	Unblk	100+0	KnAdv	4	3	53	60	grd bounce	-	-
The fast version of the command grab. Deals very good damage, and can combo using FA6 if you can't get a charged version.
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Charged Meteor Breaker	150!+75	Unblk	150!+0	KnAdv	4	3	53	60	grd bounce	-	-
(armor disabled after 7 frames). One of the things that make Talos scary. Extremely high damage, and converts meterlessly for very high damage, using meter can allow you to extend it even further. in conjuction to the charged stance, it can be used in mash-safe mixups

S1.2

Meteor Slam

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
150	Unblk	100	None	6	2	57	65	knockdown	-	-
armored during frames 3-8

S2.1

Titan Smash Charge

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Titan Smash Charge	-	-	-	Other	3	-	-	90	-	-	-
chargeable until frame 90; transitions into Quick Titan Smash after frames 3-24 and Charged Titan Smash after frame 25; armored after 25 frames; dash-cancelable after frame 5; auto-faces opponent
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Quick Titan Smash	150!	Unblk	150!	KnAdv	4	5	36	45	tumble	-	-
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Charged Titan Smash	225!	Unblk	200!	KnAdv	4	5	36	45	wall bounce	-	-
armor disabled after 9 frames

S2.2

Titan Wreck

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
135!	Unblk	150!	None	6	3	41	50	backslide	-	-
armored during frames 3-8; autofaces opponent during frames 1-6

S3.1

Magnetic Buster

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Magnetic Buster	85	Mid (Whiffs airborne)	100	Spc/OD/KA	15	5	14	34	6	2	-
pulls opponents inward; cancelable into S1 and S2
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Clothesline (S3v1/v3)	100	Mid	100	KnAdv	12	4	32	48	sweep	-15	-

S3.2

Magnetic Snare

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Magnetic Snare	100!	Mid (Whiffs standing and crouching)	125!	Spc/OD/KA	15	5	12	32	air flip	-	-
pulls opponents inward; cancelable into S1 and S2
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Snare Clothesline (S3v2)	125!	Mid	100!	KnAdv	18	4	32	54	sweep	-15	-
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Snare Colossal Crush (OD)	325!	Unblk	0	None	5+12+0	3	60	80	grd bounce	-	-
can grab opponents in ground and air hit stun (but not block stun)

jS3.1

Aerial Magnetic Attract

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
70	Mid	100	None	12	5	-	-	-	-	-
pulls opponents inward; can attack/block after 2 landing frames, and walk after 4 frames

S3.3

Spartan Rush

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
75	Mid	100	OD/KA	12	8	14	34	1	-3	-

jS3.3

Aerial Spartan Rush

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
75	Mid	100	None	12	8	-	-	-	-	-
can attack/block after 8 landing frames, and walk after 10 frames

OD

Colossal Crush

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
325!	Unblk	0	None	5+0+0	2	60	67	grd bounce	-	-
can grab opponents while they are in ground hit stun (but not air hit stun or block stun)

Other

Forward Dash

Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Forward Dash	-	-	-	None	-	-	-	22	-	-	-
transitions into forward run after 15f if holding Fwd; cancelable into any attack or jump (but not walk/block) after 20f in both cases
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Forward Run	-	-	-	Any	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
cancelable into attack or jump; transitions into forward run stop
Version	Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
Forward Run Stop	-	-	-	Any	-	-	-	10	-	-	-
cancelable into attack or jump; all actions enabled after 10 frames

Back Dash

Damage	Guard	Stun	Cancel	Startup	Active	Recovery	Total	Adv Hit	Adv Block	Cooldown
-	-	-	None	-	-	-	28	-	-	-

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-   |description=chargeable until frame 90; transitions into Quick Meteor Breaker after frames 3-24 and Charged Meteor Breaker after frame 25; dash-cancelable after frame 5; armored after 25 frames; auto-faces opponent
+   |description= Chargeable until frame 90; transitions into Quick Meteor Breaker after frames 3-24 and Charged Meteor Breaker after frame 25; dash-cancelable after frame 5; armored after 25 frames; auto-faces opponent. You will be using this stance to bait mashing during mixups while setting up a charge command grab.
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+   |description= The fast version of the command grab. Deals very good damage, and can combo using FA6 if you can't get a charged version.
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-   |description=armor disabled after 7 frames
+   |description= (armor disabled after 7 frames). One of the things that make Talos scary. Extremely high damage, and converts meterlessly for very high damage, using meter can allow you to extend it even further. in conjuction to the charged stance, it can be used in mash-safe mixups
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