Capcom vs SNK 2/Geese

NORMAL MOVES

(all frame data from Capcom Vs. SNK 2 Millionaire Fighting 2001 Official Guidebook)

Frame data explanation: STARTUP/DURATION/RECOVERY, +/-X, +/-Y

The first number shows how many frames a move takes to become active, the 2nd shows how long the move is active and can hit, and the 3rd shows how many recovery frames there are. +/-X shows the frame advantage/disadvantage after the move hits, +/-Y shows the same if the move is blocked.

JAB

Standing: 3/4/6, +7, +7

This is pretty good as far as standing jabs go but it's sort of overshadowed by his low jab as most characters can duck this. One way to use this move is if you know that someone is performing a jumpin parry/just defend, I use this move to take the parry or JD then you can retaliate in some other way like run behind and low fierce in the case of a JD or to do a low fierce/counter right after in the case of a parry.

-d.LK, whiff s.LP, throw

Crouching: 3/4/5, +8, +8

This is one of your bread and butter moves. Unlike CVS1 noone can duck this move and looking at the frame advantage, you can see how this move is very useful for setting up counterhits on opponents that like to press alot of buttons at close range. Links into almost every normal geese has. This is your main counterhit weapon.

Chun can cleanly go under this move with her low strong.

Jumping: 5/24/NA, NA, NA

Goofy looking downward angled palm. I really can't think of a use for this move. All of geese's air moves have a 5 frame startup and this move doesnt really cover a good angle. Does stay out a long time I suppose.

STRONG

Close: 4/9/14, +1, +1

This is the raise the roof punch, it is a little silly upwards angled palm where Geese slaps himself virtually in the shoulder. The only possible use of this is as a meaty but even if you hit with the last possible active frame, you would just be at +8 which is the same thing you'd get just by doing a low jab. So its really not terribly useful, as far as I know. This is Geese's dodge punch in S Groove.

Standing: 5/9/14, +0, +0

Knife hand strike to the midsection. A little more range than it looks like it has but still nothing really special.

Crouching: 7/7/14, -1, -1

A chop that attacks the opponent's feet. Kinda slow coming out but it does have it's rare uses if you really want to use it. This move is sort of like Balrog's low fwd in SF2, it punches the opponent's feet if they try a low attack and it is bufferable into super. For example this move will always beat blanka's slide and you can combo deadly rave off of it. However whiffing this move is pretty dangerous so you better be sure, in general this is not very useful.

Jumping: 5/10/NA, NA, NA

A horizontal chop. This is for jumping air to air. Your 2 best air to air moves are this and diagonal jump roundhouse, this is good if the person is above you and the diagonal jumping roundhouse is good if they are in front of you. You wont find yourself using this too often but it does have some specific uses against characters.

Fierce

Close: 4/11/24, -9, -9

A little palm to the stomach. Bufferable into specials/supers. This move pushes you forward a little bit which gives it it's use in CC's since if you time correctly you can do several of these in a row at the beginning to really cause alot of CC damage. This move can also be linked off of low jab, stand short, low short in order to create combos. This is Geese's Counter Attack in N/C/S Groove.

Standing: 8/6/20, +0, +0

Standing punch with pretty good reach. Most characters can duck this but it is still a useful poke at times. Not nearly as useful as it could be though, Geese's hittable area seems to move forward alot when you press it so often when trying to punish the whiff of a meaty move with this, youll find yourself bumping yourself into the last frames of it. Happens alot with Sagat's fierces ><. However the move does have good range so it has uses.

Crouching: 3/9/27, -12, -12

An uppercut. You'll find yourself using this move a lot. It comes out even faster than your low fwd, so for link combos this is a really solid move. Linking things like low short-low fierce are incredibly easy. It is also your main anti air move. However it has alot of recovery frames so be careful when using it as anti air, as if your opponent parries/JD's or it misses thats going to be dangerous.

Crouching fierce has more horizontal range than close standing fierce does. Linking a crouching fierce after low jab lets Geese land run up, low jab, fierce xx super/jaiken from farther away than had he used tried to use close standing fierce. To avoid getting accidental far standing fierces when you're going for a link combo into super/special, it can be useful to use crouching fierce instead of going for close standing fierce.

Jumping: 1st hit: 5/4/NA 2nd hit: 4/4/NA, NA, NA

A short range downward palm that hits twice. That is the main distinction of the move, if the opponent blocks this it will do more guard crush damage than a normal fierce and both hits must be blocked high. It is very hard to make both hits hit a crouching opponent.

Towards+Fierce: 14/10/20, -4, knockdown

This move is bufferable to both specials and super moves. The main distinction of this move is it does alot more guard crush damage than a normal fierce. It comes out quite slow but if you can make your opponent block it it is a good weapon. With rage on, this move into his HCB+kick does half the guard bar alone.

SHORT

Close: 2/4/6, +7, +7

A little knee. This is your fastest move at 2 frames and it gives you a pretty hefty advantage. Up close you can use this move for lots of different counterhit/throw setups and link combos.

No character can duck this or go under it with any move, including Chun trying a d.MP.

Standing: 4/4/14, -3, -3

A low kick. It is a low damaging short that leaves you at -3 and doesnt really have any clear uses to me.

-max range d.LP, far s.LK xx super

Crouching: 3/4/7, +6, +6

This move is not as good as the low jab as far as frame advantage but it does hit low. Therefore it's main use is going to be for when you need a low hit, for example after an empty jump to create a high/low mixup. You can easily dial up a super, QCF+P, or HCB+K off combos starting with this.

Jumping: 5/22/NA, NA, NA

This move has the same animation as the jumping forward, same speed, just weaker and stays out a bit longer. Really not particularly useful seeing how good jumping forward is.

FORWARD

Standing: 8/8/17, -5, -5

A mid level side kick. At first this move doesnt look that useful and it isnt really so great but it does have situational uses. The hitbox of this move reaches well out beyond your vulnerable area giving it an "invincible tip" sort of. So occasionally poking with it will stuff several moves that your opponents use. For example this move always counterhits blanka's low fierce cleanly. It is unfortunate that you cannot cancel super off of this. This is Geese's dodge kick attack in S-Groove.

Crouching: 4/7/14, +1, +1

A pretty high priority and fast low hit. The main use of this move is going to be for whiff punishing and link combos into super. Cancelling this move into Deadly Rave is going to cause alot of damage. This move links off of low jab, short, close short all easily so you can easily confirm your hits into super. Leaves you at +1 also and whiffs fast so its not too dangerous to throw out there.

Jumping: 5/12/NA, NA, NA

You will find yourself using this move a lot. This move is a huge cross up and also has alot of downward priority. This move will be a decent part of your offense and certain anti airs have trouble with it. For example you can find yourself trading/beating stuff like Vega's standing roundhouse with this. Another less common use of this is as an overhead on larger characters during a low jump. If Sagat for example is low on life so that a jump forward will kill him, low jump instant forward is a really fast overhead hit that will more than likely end the round. Using this when they will survive it is somewhat dangerous as you will be vulnerable, however we all know that people dont always react to things like this correctly. Overhead instant forward, land, super is just like roll -> super, works all the time for some reason.

ROUNDHOUSE

Close: 1st hit: 4/3 2nd hit: 4/6/16, +4, +4

A 2 hit side kick. The first hit can be ducked by most characters. This move really isnt horribly useful, except for the fact that it does give frame advantage but looks deceptive. As long as it is used rarely you can use it on a rising opponent to set up a counterhit. You have to use it early so they rise into the 2nd hit. It would be a good anti air except that the low fierce covers the exact same angle much better.

Standing: 18/8/19, -3, -3

This is an important move. It moves Geese forward a good distance and has good priority once the hitting frames come out. The move normally leaves you at -3 which is pretty much completely safe however if you use it at a distance so that you hit later on in the active frames, you can actually get a frame advantage with this move. That is one of the best uses of this move, to get in on the opponent. It is too slow to use to punish whiffs usually but you can use it after a whiff in order to force the opponent to block it and put yourself in a better position. You have 2 big disadvantages with this move however, one being the slow startup allowing it to be easily stuffed if the opponent is attacking, and the other being that it is possible to JD/parry on reaction to this move at times and if that happens Geese is very vulnerable. Overall a very useful move but one must be careful.

Crouching: 6/4/35, -15, knockdown

Your sweep. This is a pretty good sweep, long range and fast. However it also moves your hittable area forward with alot like the standing fierce, so it loses if used against another high priority move in most cases. Most players cancel a fireball off of this move, and if it hits that is a good idea to prevent the opponent from using safe fall. However if it is blocked, be warned that almost any character can punish you for doing this pattern. In general this move is not particularly safe if blocked, and I usually use it when I know it will hit to knock the opponent down so I can get in close. Best uses are for punishing whiffs or linking it off of a few low jabs.

Jumping Vertically: 5/7/NA

This move has shorter range than it appears and is generally not really useful. Jumping strong and jumping diagonally roundhouse are both much better for air to air.

Jumping Horizontally: 5/8/NA

This move has very good horizontal range and is great air to air. For example if you block a Blanka ball standing you can jump in with this to punish it. This move is basically used for air to air but it can also be very useful as a low jump attack at certain ranges.

THROWS

Punch: 3/1/13

Kick: 5/1/13

As with all characters, the punch throw does a little less damage and is easier to tech, but it comes out faster, and the kick throw does a little more but is slower/harder to tech. With Geese however his Kick throw has a special property that makes it impossible for the opponent to safe fall, so it is almost always used because it slams the opponent right next to you for more attacks. Only use the punch throw generally if you think the throw will kill the opponent and you dont care about followups.

MOBILITY

RUN

Geese's run isnt too fast and is generally not terribly special except for one property of it that is kind of strange. Geese becomes very short when he runs due to him bending forward, and his run is actually shorter than his crouch. This allows him to run under moves that he cannot even crouch. The most famous example of this is Sagat's standing fierce. Sagat's will use this move on Geese a lot because he cannot crouch it, but if you can bait this move you can actually run right into it and punish the Sagat player after it whiffs.

ROLL

Geese's roll is nothing really special, not horrible but not great. Its best use is for ambiguous crossups after a sweep or a kick throw. It can also be used in ground games against laggy moves but it is not a fast roll so you have to be sure. Randomly doing this is very dangerous as it is not hard to react to it.

DASH

Geese has a pretty fast dash. Once you train your opponent to block against you you can get away with using this up close to keep the pressure on and make the opponent attack, giving you counterhits. Low jab > dash is hard to punish unless the opponent is mashing something, in which case you can low jab, wait millisecond, low jab counterhit > whatever.

JUMP

Geese's jump isn't terribly fast but his superjump moves pretty far forward allowing you to perform crossups from a pretty good distance away. His low jump is also not very fast but he has some decent low jump attacks, like forward, roundhouse, and fierce.

SPECIAL MOVES

QCF+P: Reppuken(fireball):

Jab: 12/NA/46, -13, -13

Strong: 12/NA/46, -13, -13

Fierce: 1st hit: 12/NA, 2nd: 20/NA/43, -10, -10

(frame disadvantages given for a point blank hit)

QCB+P (in air): Shippuken(air fireball):

All versions: 16/NA/NA

HCB+P: Counters:

All versions: 0/18/32

(duration refers to active counter frames)

HCB+K: Jaienken(rush move)

Short: 9/21/41, -23, knockdown

Forward: 14/21/41, -23, knockdown

Roundhouse: 19/21/41, -23, knockdown

(duration refers to active time during rush forward animation)

SUPER MOVES

DB, HCB, DF+P: Raging Storm

LV1: 10/43/30, -7, knockdown

(has 4 frames of invincibility)

LV2: 10/55/30, -7, knockdown

(has 10 frames of invincibility)

LV3: 10/67/30, -7, knockdown

(has 18 frames of invincibility)

HCB, F+short: Deadly Rave(LV3 only)

(on hit, input: Jab, Jab, Short, Short, Strong, Forward, Fierce, Roundhouse, QCB+Fierce)

4/NA/NA, +13, knockdown

(has 18 frames of invincibility, +13 refers to if first hit is blocked)

Basic Combos

1. Close short OR Low short OR low jab, Low fierce, HCB+Short

Each starting move has different situations. Close short is the fastest move Geese has coming out in 2 frames so use it when you are sure you are close enough to the opponent and looking for a counterhit or to punish something. If you are just a little bit farther away and arent sure you will get the close short(far short is not a move you want to get accidentally) then low jab is your move. If you need the combo to start low, for example after an empty jump in, then low short is the move to use. This combo adds a lot of stun damage. Also if the opponent's guard meter is flashing or almost flashing, feel free to do this combo even if blocked, as the HCB+Short will guard crush the opponent in that situation.

2. Low jab x2, Low roundhouse xx QCF+Strong

If you get a counterhit jab but are too far away to link the low fierce and you dont have a super ready, then this is the combo you probably want to do. It'll knock the person down and let you get inside. The QCF+Strong won't hit but it is used to prevent the opponent from using safe fall, if your opponent doesn't have a safe fall groove then feel free to leave it off so that you can recover faster and have more time to move. Practice it because if you miss the link from jab to roundhouse, your opponent can hurt you in between the blocked roundhouse and the fireball.

3. Close short OR low short OR low jab, low jab, low forward, HCB, F+Short(Deadly rave) up to 2nd to last hit, close short, close fierce OR low fierce, HCB+Short

This is what you want to do every time you hit the opponent when you have meter. Opening move varies based on situation just like combo #1, then you stop the deadly rave right before the last hit and do the link combo. You can use either close or low fierce in the ending link combo, low fierce is an easier link but close fierce does a little more stun damage.

Blocked Strings

1. Low short, low fierce, QCF+Strong

This is a regular combo, but it also has uses as a blocked string. For example if you do a crossup forward into this string while you are raged in K groove then it will take off over half of the guard meter, and doing another string like towards+fierce into HCB+short will crush the guard.

2. Towards+Fierce, QCF+Strong OR HCB+Short

The major thing about this string is that it does a large amount of guard bar damage, especially if ended with HCB+Short. HCB+Short is very unsafe so dont use it unless you know it will break the guard, but if the guard bar is already low enough that it will be crushed by HCB+Short then be aware of it and don't be afraid to use it. Dont end with HCB+Short near the corner unless you know itll be blocked, because the move is so laggy that the opponent will be able to get up and punish you after HCB+Short whiffs over their body.

3. Low jabx1-3, low roundhouse, QCF+Strong

Be careful using this as it can be punished in between the low roundhouse and the fireball by most characters. Make sure that you hit with the tip of the roundhouse to minimize the risk.

Setups

1. Counterhit/throw

The basic way that a rushdown character like Geese lands hits in CVS2 is through this. You make the opponent block a move that gives you a good frame advantage, like a close short or a low jab, then you hesitate or walk forward a small amount and you create a 50/50 situation. You either throw them if you think they will continue to block or you press your close short or low jab again and do a combo off of it if you think they are going to try to press a button to stop your throw. Your short or jab will counterhit whatever attack that they do because of the frame advantage from the blocked short or jab. At first you will land alot of counterhits on an opponent because it is the tendency of CVS players to mash jab when someone is close, but once you get enough combos on someone they will start blocking more and you can get throws. You can also set up a counterhit/throw 50/50 when the opponent is getting up from a knockdown, or after you JD an opponent's move that gives you frame advantage.

2. High/low

The concept of high/low with Geese involves a jump in or a low jump. You set up a jump in situation, like after a knockdown or jumping over an opponent's poke, and then mix up between a deep jump in forward kick into a combo, or omit the forward kick and immediately press low short. The opponent will still be blocking high for the jumpin and be hit low. At first you will find that you will hit a lot with the empty jump into low short, then once the opponent sees that a lot then you will be able to hit him with the deep jump in. In order to make the most of this you have to learn to combo off of a low jump forward, so that if they block low too soon you can hurt them badly.

3. Off a Kick throw

The kick throw puts the opponent on the floor right next to you with no ability to safe fall. He will lie there for a while allowing you to set up certain things. For example, timed properly, you can jump straight up and he will rise directly into the last frames of your jump. This lets you do a very good example of the high low mixup described above, and you can also jump just a moment sooner if you think they will rise with a reversal and be able to land and block it. Basically jump up, and either make them get up into a really super deep jump forward or a low short, or land and block, or land and throw again.

Another option off of the kick throw is to do the same setup as above except using a low jump forward crossup as they rise. Basically the same tactic, just allows you to move to the other side of them.

4. Off of standing Roundhouse

If you can use this attack at the right range so that you hit with the later frames of it, then you can get frame advantage after it. From this range, you have several options, like JD any attack they do if you arent sure if the range was optimal, counterhit anything they stick out with low jab, run up closer if they block after, or you can jump in also from this range if you think they will poke so that you can jump over the attack and get a crossup attack.

C-Groove

Geese doesn't really use the features of C Groove to his advantage as much as some other grooves. However if you want to use him in this mode you do have the advantage of a pretty fast charging level 3 that will always be ready, and that is the main advantage of this, as well as air guard and plentiful Counter Attacks.

The only level 2 cancel that Geese really has is level 2 Raging storm xx level 1 Raging storm, and the level 2 raging storm has very low invincibility(it can trade with jumpins sometimes).

As for your counter attack, it is fast enough that it will not trade or lose to anything and it will usually not be blocked. The weakness is it is short range, so you cant counter pokes with it unless you are very close. Off of a counter attack, you can floor the opponent in a position to set up a very deep crossup high/low, which is good, however the down side is you just burned a level of meter, so you cant do your strong level 3 combo if you hit the opponent in this situation.

Air guard comes in handy at times and C/A grooves have fewer takeoff jumping frames, allowing you to jump a little faster.

VS. CHARACTER

Sagat

Sagat's not easy. Mainly because at mid range every form of offense that you can start up requires a small mistake from him to get started. Up close your games are pretty much equal with Geese having a slight advantage due to his more damaging combos, but at mid range Sagat is still top tier whereas midrange/longrange Geese has no move that you can really challenge Sagat with. Just like all of the top tier matchups except Cammy, Geese has to be Brass Balls Geese to win. Use his fierces against him whenever you can and once you get him to hesitate on fiercing you in the grill you have to just make an angry geese face and run right at him and make him block a low jab and put yourself in your sweet spot.

You really dont have much of an answer to stand short either but that doesnt hurt badly and a little known fact about sagat's short is it actually leaves him at -1 on hit or block so if you can actually run into it so that after the hit you are in your attack range, you can counterhit anything he does after with the proper timing. If you JD stand short it is even possible, although difficult, to get a free jab, the move is alot laggier than it looks. The reason people think Sagat has frame advantage after it is because it usually pushes the opponent back into the range where sagat's fierces or 2nd short will stuff whatever you do anyway. Your own fierce will trade with his short too pretty often if you are in your fierce range. If he really just spams the short kick then remember that if you can take the hit from it up close you get frame advantage, if you can JD it then you get huge advantage, and your own fierce can trade with it if you can get it out there in time. Also if sagat has no super, dont be afraid to mid counter from time to time just to keep him thinking. Risk/reward isnt so bad if he doesnt have meter, youll probably eat a fierce if you miss but if you hit youll do the damage of a fierce and put him on the floor next to you. Brass Balls ftw.

By use his fierce against him I mean you just have to be strong on the ground and a strong JDer. If you JD stand forward or fierce then thats free sweep every time or low fwd -> super if you are in range, if you JD a low fierce or a low jump roundhouse then you can get frame advantage even though you get no free hits. Be aware that although it requires nuts of steel you can run directly through his standing fierce and get a free combo. If you can get him to stop using stand fierce recklessly then its a pretty fair fight, low fierce isnt so bad cause you can punish whiffed ones alot easier with your fierce or sweep and low fierce isnt that long of a range compared to your attacks, and up close sagat can die to geese just like anyone else.

Only other things are never ever hang out at the range where a jump roundhouse will hit you with the tip, move up closer so that if he jumps you can actually antiair him. At tip of his foot range you have no antiair except a balls out high counter which you will find yourself getting supered for doing half the time.

COMMENTS

BY: Ragingstorm101

Geese is good for guard crushing and his best groove would be K groove or A groove. K groove is preferred because he has such strong moves that can guard crush and then you can get a level 3.

Raging Storm is helpful but not a necessity. In fact, don't try to spend the entire match to do the super. If you do get the move out, but it doesn't hit or you lose all your life, what's the point? The official motion is dwn back, hcb, dwn fwd, + punch but I just do hcb hcb + punch. I like to do it on wake up because it's safe or if I know that someone is going to jump. Honestly in my opinion, you use Raging Storm when you know it's going to hit.

He has good normals such as s.lk, cr.lp, s.fierce, cr.fierce, f + fierce, s.RH, j.RH and low jump mk or RH.

If you're close to someone, do s.lk, cr.jab, cr.jab, cr.RH, cancel to jab reppuken. It doesn't matter if it hits or not. If it hits good, if it doesn't, then it still does good guard damage. HOWEVER, (big however), sometimes your opponent can hit you during the recovery from the reppuken. I've have numerous times where someone got a free Custom Combo on me or a level 3 super. So be careful (some examples are Blanka's level 3 Direct Lighting, Sagat's tiger cannon super or tiger raid, or just fast supers. CCs can usually hit Geese but people can mess up so that by the time the invincibility wears off, they get hit by the reppuken). BTW the point of the reppuken is to cancel the recovery time of the cr.RH. It can hit people who use safe fall grooves and safe fall after they get hit by the cr.RH.

if you can get a cross up after j.mk, you can do cr.jab (or s.lk), s.fierce, Deadly Rave (hcb, f _ lk jab jab short short, mp, mp, mk mk) then instead of finishing it, do cr.jab (or s.lk), s.fierce, hcb + mk. Usually it can dizzy a 63 stun character or make it close for a 70 char. What you can do is run up, low jump mk so that they can get hit and get stunned. Then do cr.jab (or s.lk), s.fierce, hcb + mk.

DON'T do random Jaei Kens (hcb + k). It's slow and sucks without being in a combo.

Counters jab counter is good for high counters (like jumps), special moves (moves that require direction and normals) and supers. This is the best part of Geese's counters. It can COUNTER SUPERS! But keep in mind, it can only counter non projectile supers. So don't try counter Ryu's shinku hadouken. ever.

mp counter = good for s.normals like s.fierce. fierce counter = counters cr.normals like cr.lk or cr.RH.