Capcom vs SNK 2/Geese

NORMAL MOVES

(all frame data from Capcom Vs. SNK 2 Millionaire Fighting 2001 Official Guidebook)

Frame data explanation: STARTUP/DURATION/RECOVERY, +/-X, +/-Y

The first number shows how many frames a move takes to become active, the 2nd shows how long the move is active and can hit, and the 3rd shows how many recovery frames there are. +/-X shows the frame advantage/disadvantage after the move hits, +/-Y shows the same if the move is blocked.

JAB

Standing: 3/4/6, +7, +7

This is pretty good as far as standing jabs go but it's sort of overshadowed by his low jab as most characters can duck this. One way to use this move is if you know that someone is performing a jumpin parry/just defend, I use this move to take the parry or JD then you can retaliate in some other way like run behind and low fierce in the case of a JD or to do a low fierce/counter right after in the case of a parry.

-d.LK, whiff s.LP, throw

Crouching: 3/4/5, +8, +8

This is one of your bread and butter moves. Unlike CVS1 noone can duck this move and looking at the frame advantage, you can see how this move is very useful for setting up counterhits on opponents that like to press alot of buttons at close range. Links into almost every normal geese has. This is your main counterhit weapon.

Chun can cleanly go under this move with her low strong.

Jumping: 5/24/NA, NA, NA

Goofy looking downward angled palm. I really can't think of a use for this move. All of geese's air moves have a 5 frame startup and this move doesnt really cover a good angle. Does stay out a long time I suppose.

STRONG

Close: 4/9/14, +1, +1

This is the raise the roof punch, it is a little silly upwards angled palm where Geese slaps himself virtually in the shoulder. The only possible use of this is as a meaty but even if you hit with the last possible active frame, you would just be at +8 which is the same thing you'd get just by doing a low jab. So its really not terribly useful, as far as I know. This is Geese's dodge punch in S Groove.

Standing: 5/9/14, +0, +0

Knife hand strike to the midsection. A little more range than it looks like it has but still nothing really special.

Crouching: 7/7/14, -1, -1

A chop that attacks the opponent's feet. Kinda slow coming out but it does have it's rare uses if you really want to use it. This move is sort of like Balrog's low fwd in SF2, it punches the opponent's feet if they try a low attack and it is bufferable into super. For example this move will always beat blanka's slide and you can combo deadly rave off of it. However whiffing this move is pretty dangerous so you better be sure, in general this is not very useful.

Jumping: 5/10/NA, NA, NA

A horizontal chop. This is for jumping air to air. Your 2 best air to air moves are this and diagonal jump roundhouse, this is good if the person is above you and the diagonal jumping roundhouse is good if they are in front of you. You wont find yourself using this too often but it does have some specific uses against characters.

Fierce

Close: 4/11/24, -9, -9

A little palm to the stomach. Bufferable into specials/supers. This move pushes you forward a little bit which gives it it's use in CC's since if you time correctly you can do several of these in a row at the beginning to really cause alot of CC damage. This move can also be linked off of low jab, stand short, low short in order to create combos. This is Geese's Counter Attack in N/C/S Groove.

Standing: 8/6/20, +0, +0

Standing punch with pretty good reach. Most characters can duck this but it is still a useful poke at times. Not nearly as useful as it could be though, Geese's hittable area seems to move forward alot when you press it so often when trying to punish the whiff of a meaty move with this, youll find yourself bumping yourself into the last frames of it. Happens alot with Sagat's fierces ><. However the move does have good range so it has uses.

Crouching: 3/9/27, -12, -12

An uppercut. You'll find yourself using this move a lot. It comes out even faster than your low fwd, so for link combos this is a really solid move. Linking things like low short-low fierce are incredibly easy. It is also your main anti air move. However it has alot of recovery frames so be careful when using it as anti air, as if your opponent parries/JD's or it misses thats going to be dangerous.

Crouching fierce has more horizontal range than close standing fierce does. Linking a crouching fierce after low jab lets Geese land run up, low jab, fierce xx super/jaiken from farther away than had he used tried to use close standing fierce. To avoid getting accidental far standing fierces when you're going for a link combo into super/special, it can be useful to use crouching fierce instead of going for close standing fierce.

Jumping: 1st hit: 5/4/NA 2nd hit: 4/4/NA, NA, NA

A short range downward palm that hits twice. That is the main distinction of the move, if the opponent blocks this it will do more guard crush damage than a normal fierce and both hits must be blocked high. It is very hard to make both hits hit a crouching opponent.

Towards+Fierce: 14/10/20, -4, knockdown

This move is bufferable to both specials and super moves. The main distinction of this move is it does alot more guard crush damage than a normal fierce. It comes out quite slow but if you can make your opponent block it it is a good weapon. With rage on, this move into his HCB+kick does half the guard bar alone.

SHORT

Close: 2/4/6, +7, +7

A little knee. This is your fastest move at 2 frames and it gives you a pretty hefty advantage. Up close you can use this move for lots of different counterhit/throw setups and link combos.

No character can duck this or go under it with any move, including Chun trying a d.MP.

Standing: 4/4/14, -3, -3

A low kick. It is a low damaging short that leaves you at -3 and doesnt really have any clear uses to me.

-max range d.LP, far s.LK xx super

Crouching: 3/4/7, +6, +6

This move is not as good as the low jab as far as frame advantage but it does hit low. Therefore it's main use is going to be for when you need a low hit, for example after an empty jump to create a high/low mixup. You can easily dial up a super, QCF+P, or HCB+K off combos starting with this.

Jumping: 5/22/NA, NA, NA

This move has the same animation as the jumping forward, same speed, just weaker and stays out a bit longer. Really not particularly useful seeing how good jumping forward is.

FORWARD

Standing: 8/8/17, -5, -5

A mid level side kick. At first this move doesnt look that useful and it isnt really so great but it does have situational uses. The hitbox of this move reaches well out beyond your vulnerable area giving it an "invincible tip" sort of. So occasionally poking with it will stuff several moves that your opponents use. For example this move always counterhits blanka's low fierce cleanly. It is unfortunate that you cannot cancel super off of this. This is Geese's dodge kick attack in S-Groove.

Crouching: 4/7/14, +1, +1

A pretty high priority and fast low hit. The main use of this move is going to be for whiff punishing and link combos into super. Cancelling this move into Deadly Rave is going to cause alot of damage. This move links off of low jab, short, close short all easily so you can easily confirm your hits into super. Leaves you at +1 also and whiffs fast so its not too dangerous to throw out there.

Jumping: 5/12/NA, NA, NA

You will find yourself using this move a lot. This move is a huge cross up and also has alot of downward priority. This move will be a decent part of your offense and certain anti airs have trouble with it. For example you can find yourself trading/beating stuff like Vega's standing roundhouse with this. Another less common use of this is as an overhead on larger characters during a low jump. If Sagat for example is low on life so that a jump forward will kill him, low jump instant forward is a really fast overhead hit that will more than likely end the round. Using this when they will survive it is somewhat dangerous as you will be vulnerable, however we all know that people dont always react to things like this correctly. Overhead instant forward, land, super is just like roll -> super, works all the time for some reason.

ROUNDHOUSE

Close: 1st hit: 4/3 2nd hit: 4/6/16, +4, +4

A 2 hit side kick. The first hit can be ducked by most characters. This move really isnt horribly useful, except for the fact that it does give frame advantage but looks deceptive. As long as it is used rarely you can use it on a rising opponent to set up a counterhit. You have to use it early so they rise into the 2nd hit. It would be a good anti air except that the low fierce covers the exact same angle much better.

Standing: 18/8/19, -3, -3

This is an important move. It moves Geese forward a good distance and has good priority once the hitting frames come out. The move normally leaves you at -3 which is pretty much completely safe however if you use it at a distance so that you hit later on in the active frames, you can actually get a frame advantage with this move. That is one of the best uses of this move, to get in on the opponent. It is too slow to use to punish whiffs usually but you can use it after a whiff in order to force the opponent to block it and put yourself in a better position. You have 2 big disadvantages with this move however, one being the slow startup allowing it to be easily stuffed if the opponent is attacking, and the other being that it is possible to JD/parry on reaction to this move at times and if that happens Geese is very vulnerable. Overall a very useful move but one must be careful.

Crouching: 6/4/35, -15, knockdown

Your sweep. This is a pretty good sweep, long range and fast. However it also moves your hittable area forward with alot like the standing fierce, so it loses if used against another high priority move in most cases. Most players cancel a fireball off of this move, and if it hits that is a good idea to prevent the opponent from using safe fall. However if it is blocked, be warned that almost any character can punish you for doing this pattern. In general this move is not particularly safe if blocked, and I usually use it when I know it will hit to knock the opponent down so I can get in close. Best uses are for punishing whiffs or linking it off of a few low jabs.

Jumping Vertically: 5/7/NA

This move has shorter range than it appears and is generally not really useful. Jumping strong and jumping diagonally roundhouse are both much better for air to air.

Jumping Horizontally: 5/8/NA

This move has very good horizontal range and is great air to air. For example if you block a Blanka ball standing you can jump in with this to punish it. This move is basically used for air to air but it can also be very useful as a low jump attack at certain ranges.

THROWS

Punch: 3/1/13

Kick: 5/1/13

As with all characters, the punch throw does a little less damage and is easier to tech, but it comes out faster, and the kick throw does a little more but is slower/harder to tech. With Geese however his Kick throw has a special property that makes it impossible for the opponent to safe fall, so it is almost always used because it slams the opponent right next to you for more attacks. Only use the punch throw generally if you think the throw will kill the opponent and you dont care about followups.

MOBILITY

RUN

Geese's run isnt too fast and is generally not terribly special except for one property of it that is kind of strange. Geese becomes very short when he runs due to him bending forward, and his run is actually shorter than his crouch. This allows him to run under moves that he cannot even crouch. The most famous example of this is Sagat's standing fierce. Sagat's will use this move on Geese a lot because he cannot crouch it, but if you can bait this move you can actually run right into it and punish the Sagat player after it whiffs.

ROLL

Geese's roll is nothing really special, not horrible but not great. Its best use is for ambiguous crossups after a sweep or a kick throw. It can also be used in ground games against laggy moves but it is not a fast roll so you have to be sure. Randomly doing this is very dangerous as it is not hard to react to it.

DASH

Geese has a pretty fast dash. Once you train your opponent to block against you you can get away with using this up close to keep the pressure on and make the opponent attack, giving you counterhits. Low jab > dash is hard to punish unless the opponent is mashing something, in which case you can low jab, wait millisecond, low jab counterhit > whatever.

JUMP

Geese's jump isn't terribly fast but his superjump moves pretty far forward allowing you to perform crossups from a pretty good distance away. His low jump is also not very fast but he has some decent low jump attacks, like forward, roundhouse, and fierce.

SPECIAL MOVES

QCF+P: Reppuken(fireball):

Jab: 12/NA/46, -13, -13

Strong: 12/NA/46, -13, -13

Fierce: 1st hit: 12/NA, 2nd: 20/NA/43, -10, -10

(frame disadvantages given for a point blank hit)

QCB+P (in air): Shippuken(air fireball):

All versions: 16/NA/NA

HCB+P: Counters:

All versions: 0/18/32

(duration refers to active counter frames)

HCB+K: Jaienken(rush move)

Short: 9/21/41, -23, knockdown

Forward: 14/21/41, -23, knockdown

Roundhouse: 19/21/41, -23, knockdown

(duration refers to active time during rush forward animation)

SUPER MOVES

DB, HCB, DF+P: Raging Storm

LV1: 10/43/30, -7, knockdown

(has 4 frames of invincibility)

LV2: 10/55/30, -7, knockdown

(has 10 frames of invincibility)

LV3: 10/67/30, -7, knockdown

(has 18 frames of invincibility)

HCB, F+short: Deadly Rave(LV3 only)

(on hit, input: Jab, Jab, Short, Short, Strong, Forward, Fierce, Roundhouse, QCB+Fierce)

4/NA/NA, +13, knockdown

(has 18 frames of invincibility, +13 refers to if first hit is blocked)

Basic Combos

1. Close short OR Low short OR low jab, Low fierce, HCB+Short

Each starting move has different situations. Close short is the fastest move Geese has coming out in 2 frames so use it when you are sure you are close enough to the opponent and looking for a counterhit or to punish something. If you are just a little bit farther away and arent sure you will get the close short(far short is not a move you want to get accidentally) then low jab is your move. If you need the combo to start low, for example after an empty jump in, then low short is the move to use. This combo adds a lot of stun damage. Also if the opponent's guard meter is flashing or almost flashing, feel free to do this combo even if blocked, as the HCB+Short will guard crush the opponent in that situation.

2. Low jab x2, Low roundhouse xx QCF+Strong

If you get a counterhit jab but are too far away to link the low fierce and you dont have a super ready, then this is the combo you probably want to do. It'll knock the person down and let you get inside. The QCF+Strong won't hit but it is used to prevent the opponent from using safe fall, if your opponent doesn't have a safe fall groove then feel free to leave it off so that you can recover faster and have more time to move. Practice it because if you miss the link from jab to roundhouse, your opponent can hurt you in between the blocked roundhouse and the fireball.

3. Close short OR low short OR low jab, low jab, low forward, HCB, F+Short(Deadly rave) up to 2nd to last hit, close short, close fierce OR low fierce, HCB+Short

This is what you want to do every time you hit the opponent when you have meter. Opening move varies based on situation just like combo #1, then you stop the deadly rave right before the last hit and do the link combo. You can use either close or low fierce in the ending link combo, low fierce is an easier link but close fierce does a little more stun damage.

4. Crossup forward, close short, low fierce, HCB, F+Short(Deadly rave) to last hit, close short, close fierce, HCB+short finisher

This is geese's dizzy combo. This combo will stun 60 stun characters all by itself as it does 65 stun damage. You can make it stun 70 stun characters by adding another standing short before the low fierce, however that will only hit fat characters that are crouching so you won't find yourself landing it very often. Anytime your jumping forward hits and you have meter you should go for this combo as it basically ends the life of whatever character it hits. The forward does not have to be a crossup for it to stun either, but if you connect your jumpin from the front it is best to replace the low fierce with a low forward to make sure it reaches. You will still do 61 stun this way, which is enough.

Blocked Strings

1. Low short, low fierce, QCF+Strong

This is a regular combo, but it also has uses as a blocked string. For example if you do a crossup forward into this string while you are raged in K groove then it will take off over half of the guard meter, and doing another string like towards+fierce into HCB+short will crush the guard.

2. Towards+Fierce, QCF+Strong OR HCB+Short

The major thing about this string is that it does a large amount of guard bar damage, especially if ended with HCB+Short. HCB+Short is very unsafe so dont use it unless you know it will break the guard, but if the guard bar is already low enough that it will be crushed by HCB+Short then be aware of it and don't be afraid to use it. Dont end with HCB+Short near the corner unless you know itll be blocked, because the move is so laggy that the opponent will be able to get up and punish you after HCB+Short whiffs over their body.

3. Low jabx1-3, low roundhouse, QCF+Strong

Be careful using this as it can be punished in between the low roundhouse and the fireball by most characters. Make sure that you hit with the tip of the roundhouse to minimize the risk.

Setups

1. Counterhit/throw

The basic way that a rushdown character like Geese lands hits in CVS2 is through this. You make the opponent block a move that gives you a good frame advantage, like a close short or a low jab, then you hesitate or walk forward a small amount and you create a 50/50 situation. You either throw them if you think they will continue to block or you press your close short or low jab again and do a combo off of it if you think they are going to try to press a button to stop your throw. Your short or jab will counterhit whatever attack that they do because of the frame advantage from the blocked short or jab. At first you will land alot of counterhits on an opponent because it is the tendency of CVS players to mash jab when someone is close, but once you get enough combos on someone they will start blocking more and you can get throws. You can also set up a counterhit/throw 50/50 when the opponent is getting up from a knockdown, or after you JD an opponent's move that gives you frame advantage.

2. High/low

The concept of high/low with Geese involves a jump in or a low jump. You set up a jump in situation, like after a knockdown or jumping over an opponent's poke, and then mix up between a deep jump in forward kick into a combo, or omit the forward kick and immediately press low short. The opponent will still be blocking high for the jumpin and be hit low. At first you will find that you will hit a lot with the empty jump into low short, then once the opponent sees that a lot then you will be able to hit him with the deep jump in. In order to make the most of this you have to learn to combo off of a low jump forward, so that if they block low too soon you can hurt them badly.

3. Off a Kick throw

The kick throw puts the opponent on the floor right next to you with no ability to safe fall. He will lie there for a while allowing you to set up certain things. For example, timed properly, you can jump straight up and he will rise directly into the last frames of your jump. This lets you do a very good example of the high low mixup described above, and you can also jump just a moment sooner if you think they will rise with a reversal and be able to land and block it. Basically jump up, and either make them get up into a really super deep jump forward or a low short, or land and block, or land and throw again.

Another option off of the kick throw is to do the same setup as above except using a low jump forward crossup as they rise. Basically the same tactic, just allows you to move to the other side of them.

4. Off of standing Roundhouse

If you can use this attack at the right range so that you hit with the later frames of it, then you can get frame advantage after it. From this range, you have several options, like JD any attack they do if you arent sure if the range was optimal, counterhit anything they stick out with low jab, run up closer if they block after, or you can jump in also from this range if you think they will poke so that you can jump over the attack and get a crossup attack.

C-Groove

Geese doesn't really use the features of C Groove to his advantage as much as some other grooves. However if you want to use him in this mode you do have the advantage of a pretty fast charging level 3 that will always be ready, and that is the main advantage of this, as well as air guard and plentiful Counter Attacks.

The only level 2 cancel that Geese really has is level 2 Raging storm xx level 1 Raging storm, and the level 2 raging storm has very low invincibility(it can trade with jumpins sometimes).

As for your counter attack, it is fast enough that it will not trade or lose to anything and it will usually not be blocked. The weakness is it is short range, so you cant counter pokes with it unless you are very close. Off of a counter attack, you can floor the opponent in a position to set up a very deep crossup high/low, which is good, however the down side is you just burned a level of meter, so you cant do your strong level 3 combo if you hit the opponent in this situation.

Air guard comes in handy at times and C/A grooves have fewer takeoff jumping frames, allowing you to jump a little faster.

A-Groove

(Combos courtesy of MrSNK)

A groove Geese has alot of the same problems as C groove, like lack of mobility and offense, but his customs can be very damaging. One down side of his customs however is that in order to do the most damaging ones you must be at point blank range so that your fierces can connect quickly, so it is difficult to use your custom at sweep distance like many other characters can. Also his anti air custom is somewhat difficult and unreliable. It is possible to hit confirm your custom by linking just like a normal link combo, i.e. low jab, activate CC, low fwd or fierce will combo if done properly.

Combos:

Basic B&B (anywhere)

CC, [HP(c)x3-c.HP-HK(f)]x2 -> HCB+LK(2-hits)x5 -> HCB+LK(3-hits) -> d/b,HCB,d/f+P

9024 (tested vs A-Todo) 26-hits, +0 stun

For how easy this combo is, it definitely pumps out major damage. Make sure you don't accidentally c.HK after the c.HP, you have to go to neutral to perform the HK(f). After the second HK(f), go into the HCB+LK's. After peforming the 6th HCB+LK, start doing the Raging Storm (d/b,HCB,d/f+P) motion, and hit the button once the last hit launches. If, by some reason, you are not in the corner for the final HCB+LK, the super will only connect for one hit!

Variation: Multi Palm Press -> Jaieken (anywhere)

CC, HP(c)x8-HP(f) -> HCB+LKx8(2-hits) -> d/b,HCB,d/f+P

9284 (tested vs A-Todo) 28-hits, +0 stun

Instead of using the HP(c)x2-c.HP-HK(f) link from the above combo, this variation relies on extremly quick close HP's to get the job done. On average, you should be able to get around 5 or 6. With perfect timing you can actually go past 10. While the combo listed here is a bit harder than average, it's worth it to get the timing down. Even if you only get HP(c)x7-HP(f), you'll still do over 9000 damage.

Super-Jump Anti Air (anywhere)

CC, HCB+LK(1-hit)-c.HP-c.LP(whiff), sj.MK-MK (land), [sj.HKx4 (land)]x2, HP(c)x2-c.HP, HP(c) -> d/b,HCB,d/f+P

7060 (tested vs A-Todo) 19-hits, +0 stun

This is a pretty tricky anti-air custom for Geese that isn't really that reliable. A more reliable variation uses 2 sets of sj.HKx3, but it does a bit less damage. Either way, the hardest part is canceling the HCB+LK on the first hit, right into the c.HP-c.LP(whiff). From there, do the superjump sequences as fast as possible. This will take you from full-screen to the corner.

Style Element (anywhere)

CC, c.MK-c.HK-c.HP-LK(c)(whiff), sj.MK-MK (land), [sj.HKx4 (land)]x2, j-up.HP(2-hits)x2 (land), d/b,HCB,d/f+P

7760 (tested vs A-Todo) 20-hits, +0 stun

Although this combo looks difficult, it's really quite easy. You only need to concentrate on getting the superjumps out. After connecting c.MK-c.HK-c.HP-LK(c)(whiff) sequence, quickly superjump towards with MK-MK. This leaves the close to you as you land. Rejump and do two sets of HKx4, land, and the opponent will now be in the corner. Jump straight up and hit HP twice, letting it hit 2-times each. Land again, super.

Chip & Crush (anywhere)

LK(c)x2, CC, c.MK -> HCB+LK(2)x11-HP(c)-f+HP -> HCB+HK (crush), HP(c) -> HCB+MK

40% (200x11+350 + combo) (tested vs A-Todo) 100% guard crush 4-hits, +33 stun

This is Geese's chipping and guard-crushing custom. While it doesn't chip that much damage (about 10%), it will always crush the opponents guard if done correctly, thus leaving them open for a free follow-up combo. The reason LK(c)x2 is used before the CC starts is because without it, the CC sequence won't crush the guard completely, unless its done vs P or K-Groove. The trick to getting this sequence to crush in any groove is the final f+HP. It must hit outside of the custom sequence. In order to make it so it's not rollable is to chain it off the last HP(c) while in custom, then the meter runs out right before the f+HP connects. If done correctly, the follow-up Jaieken will crush on the final strike. From there, stand HP(c) -> MK Jaieken for the free damage!

Crush Only (anywhere)

CC, c.MK -> HCB+LK(2-hits)-f+HPx13 -> HCB+LK(2-hits)-HP(c)-f+HP -> HCB+HK (crush), HP(c) -> HCB+MK

25% (200x2 + combo) (tested vs A-Guile) 100% guard crush 4-hits, +33 stun

While this version doesn't do much chip damage, it will crush any characters guard in any groove. The only tricky part is canceling the first HCB+LK on the second hit, right into the f+HPx13. The ending sequence is identical to the Chip & Crush sequence. Make sure the final f+HP hits outside of the custom.

P-Groove

Geese is a pretty good P-Groove character. The main thing that you look for in a P groove character is, can they make the most of their parries, and Geese certainly can. Parrying an attack into a Jaienken or Deadly Rave combo is a very intimidating threat, and the parry gives Geese the ability to stop certain tactics that otherwise give him trouble(like his lack of a ranged anti air). Also if you are skilled with the parry you can use it as a way to get in on the opponent by jumping and parrying their anti air attempts. Also P Groove retains low jump and the ability to store your level 3 so that it is always ready for when you land a combo.

Disadvantages of this choice are the slow building super bar, the lack of a run, and the difficulty of execution. In many top tier matchups, you will basically have to parry something to get inside, and parry is much more risky to execute than a Just Defense. However if you are comfortable with P Groove then Geese does pretty well in it.

S-Groove

There really dont seem to be any redeeming qualities of S-Groove Geese. His dodge attacks are both very bad, especially the punch which is the only one that is bufferable to special moves. Geese is also a character that lives by comboing his level 3 super, and getting level 3 supers in S Groove is not an easy task at all. To top it all off the only level 1 that he has unlimited access to in red life is the Raging Storm, which is very weak as a level 1 super. Only redeeming thing is that you have run available, however that is also in N or K groove making this groove somewhat pointless.

N-Groove

N Groove Geese is a pretty good choice. You have all the offensive options that a character like Geese likes to have, like run, low jump, and roll, as well as access to roll cancels and counter attacks. This is a pretty solid choice. Another advantage being that unlike K Groove you can choose when you will power yourself up, so you can use it when the opponent's guard is about to break or when you are in some similar good position.

However in certain very common matchups, N Geese has a very hard time. One of Geese's weaknesses is his midrange game, dealing with low jumps and strong pokes that keep him from closing in. You dont possess a mid range poke that is safe that can really compete with characters like Cammy or Sagat. N Groove has all the tools necessary to deal with these things but you must always do something somewhat risky to approach the opponent, your roll is not very good and your counter attack is only going to help you in close range. So you are basically stuck having to force whiffs from your opponent, like Sagat for example, so you can run towards him or knock him down, which makes things somewhat difficult. Certain characters that are easier to beat in K groove become very very strong against N Groove Geese due to his inability to deal with their pokes safely, Cammy, Sagat, and Blanka, all very common choices, have this problem. The only way that you are going to make N groove work well against those characters is if your ground game is much stronger than that of your opponent, for example your opponent must be predictable enough that you can easily force him to whiff or trick him into getting caught by your counter. Also this Groove does not break guard as easily as K groove, and your level 3 super does less damage.

However this is the only groove that has both roll cancels and run, so if you like to have both those options it might work for you.

K-Groove

In my opinion and the opinion of many people, this is Geese's strongest groove. You get everything that you need to have and lose things that really are not particularly important. Geese does not really have a dominant RC move that is necessary for his game plan, so losing roll is not a particularly crippling blow.

There are 2 huge advantages to K groove Geese. First, being raged helps your game plan immensely. Geese does absolutely ridiculous guard crush damage when he is raged. By using standing roundhouse, towards+fierce, and wise use of your Jaienken, you can crush an opponent's guard in only 2 series' of attacks, and in order for the opponent to stop you they must risk pressing buttons and getting counterhit into your super. Your super also does more damage in K Groove than in other grooves, which makes your low jab even more frightening to the opponent considering how easy it is to dial up your super off of it. Basically once you become raged, your opponent has to play perfectly and even the smallest mistake can cost him a great deal of life. If he attempts to simply turtle until the time runs out you can give him a rude awakening by the speed at which you can crush the guard bar.

The 2nd advantage that you have is the Just Defend. Alot of matchups that give every other Geese insane problems become manageable when you are able to Just Defend well. For example, against other versions of Geese, Sagat can abuse his standing fierce punch on you constantly, and all the methods that you have to stop him involve you committing to a high risk attack. However, K Groove Geese can simply advance into his range and JD the fierce and get a free sweep or even a low forward -> super combo! This helps that matchup a great deal. Cammy's roundhouse is similar to this, it can give Geese fits but if you can JD it, then you get to hit her for free. Some characters like to harrass Geese with their low jump attacks and press the button very early to take advantage of Geese's fairly tall crouching animation. Other Geeses have a pretty hard time dealing with this tactic but K Geese can simply JD and get frame advantage on the opponent when they attempt this. The ability to JD in the air also gives you some leeway in jumping in on the opponent.

To show how quickly Geese can guard crush when raged, here are some guard crush strings against an A groove character. Keep in mind that P and K groove characters' guard bar crushes even faster than this.

K-Groove Guard Crush strings

1. Crossup forward, low jab x 2, towards+fierce, QCF+Strong (60% Guard bar damage during rage)

This pattern takes off 60% guard all by itself! The only place where it is escapable is between the jabs and the towards+fierce, but in order for the opponent to stop it he has to press a button very quickly between the 2 hits. Mix it up with this, and going for a counterhit into super combo after the low jabx2 in case they are trying to hit you out of the towards+fierce. You'll find that once you counterhit someone a few times, youll be able to force them to block the towards+fierce alot more often.

2. Crossup forward, low jab x2, towards+fierce, HCB+Short (75% Guard bar damage during rage)

Same as above, but ending in Jaienken. Be aware of the opponents guard meter. If the Jaienken will break it, then dont be afraid to do it! This is a common mistake and costs many Geese players guaranteed guard crushes. To show just how strong this is, if your opponent has blocked a low forward or roundhouse into a fireball and then you land this, those 2 series of attacks alone will crush the guard completely. If you see the opponent has his guard bar around half full(the level that you get from blocking 2 fierces and a forward while raged), then towards+fierce, HCB+Short is a free guard crush from that point, even though the guard isnt even close to flashing.

3. Stand roundhouse(hit with later frames), low roundhouse, QCF+Strong (60% Guard bar damage during rage)

This is something that you can use occasionally, depending on the opponent's meter and character. Dont do something like this to Blanka ever or any other character with a torpedo move as they will just fly over your fireball and hit you. Most characters can kill you with a level 3 super also. However if there is no meter for your opponent, then some characters you can do this to and all they can do is jump up over the fireball. Something to do every now and then when you think the risk is worth it, but dont spam it or the opponent will catch on really fast.

4. (cornered opponent)Jumpin roundhouse, towards+fierce, QCF+Strong, then mixup between 1.(run towards opponent, low fierce, HCB+short) OR 2.(jump towards forward, low fierce, QCF+Strong) (100% Guard bar damage during rage)

This will break the opponent's guard from full. Sticking points are, the opponent can escape after the first fireball. However the opponent has to pay attention to whether you are going for option 2, which he must wait and antiair, or option 1, which he must stick out a ground move to stop. Mix up randomly between those 2 patterns. Your opponent will have to look for the run or the jumpin, and if they are looking for the wrong thing, then you will often be able to make them block the 2nd series of attacks, resulting in a guaranteed break. You can also guard break the opponent by replacing the low fierce -> jaienken with stand roundhouse, low roundhouse, QCF+Strong, but watch out for reversal supers between the low roundhouse and the last fireball. Most important thing is to mix up how you get in for the 2nd set of attacks according to your opponent's habits and what you think they are looking for. Also youll find that if they are a bit slow in sticking out their attack, the low fierce will beat it and youll get a nice jaienken combo on them and put them on the floor in the corner, waking up into a guaranteed guard break to super. Thats 100% damage on most characters.

You note that I use the low fierce instead of the towards and fierce for the ground version, that is because if you do towards+fierce, HCB+short in the corner and the towards+fierce hits, then your opponent will have time to stand up and punish your Jaienken, both with safe fall and without. So it is best not to do that particular string in the corner.

5. Crossup fwd, low short, low fierce, QCF+Strong, then mixup between 1.(run towards opponent, towards+fierce, HCB+short) and 2.(run towards opponent, superjump crossup fwd, low short, low fierce, QCF+Strong) (100% guard bar damage)

Sort of similar to the one above but done outside the corner. You have to make sure and mix up your approach for the 2nd series of attacks so that you dont always get antiaired or punched in the face as you run in.

Anyway once the opponent is scared of getting guard crushed then they wont try to turtle up against your raged time as much, and you will be able to land alot more combos on them during this time. BE AGGRESSIVE while raged, you take less damage and deal more during this time so use it. Take a few hits if you must, it is worth it if you can penetrate their defense just once and land a guard crush or a counterhit to super.

VS. CHARACTER

Sagat

Sagat's not easy. Mainly because at mid range every form of offense that you can start up requires a small mistake from him to get started. Up close your games are pretty much equal with Geese having a slight advantage due to his more damaging combos, but at mid range Sagat is still top tier whereas midrange/longrange Geese has no move that you can really challenge Sagat with. Just like all of the top tier matchups except Cammy, Geese has to be Brass Balls Geese to win. Use his fierces against him whenever you can and once you get him to hesitate on fiercing you in the grill you have to just make an angry geese face and run right at him and make him block a low jab and put yourself in your sweet spot.

You really dont have much of an answer to stand short either but that doesnt hurt badly and a little known fact about sagat's short is it actually leaves him at -1 on hit or block so if you can actually run into it so that after the hit you are in your attack range, you can counterhit anything he does after with the proper timing. If you JD stand short it is even possible, although difficult, to get a free jab, the move is alot laggier than it looks. The reason people think Sagat has frame advantage after it is because it usually pushes the opponent back into the range where sagat's fierces or 2nd short will stuff whatever you do anyway. Your own fierce will trade with his short too pretty often if you are in your fierce range. If he really just spams the short kick then remember that if you can take the hit from it up close you get frame advantage, if you can JD it then you get huge advantage, and your own fierce can trade with it if you can get it out there in time. Also if sagat has no super, dont be afraid to mid counter from time to time just to keep him thinking. Risk/reward isnt so bad if he doesnt have meter, youll probably eat a fierce if you miss but if you hit youll do the damage of a fierce and put him on the floor next to you. Brass Balls ftw.

By use his fierce against him I mean you just have to be strong on the ground and a strong JDer. If you JD stand forward or fierce then thats free sweep every time or low fwd -> super if you are in range, if you JD a low fierce or a low jump roundhouse then you can get frame advantage even though you get no free hits. Be aware that although it requires nuts of steel you can run directly through his standing fierce and get a free combo. If you can get him to stop using stand fierce recklessly then its a pretty fair fight, low fierce isnt so bad cause you can punish whiffed ones alot easier with your fierce or sweep and low fierce isnt that long of a range compared to your attacks, and up close sagat can die to geese just like anyone else.

Only other things are never ever hang out at the range where a jump roundhouse will hit you with the tip, move up closer so that if he jumps you can actually antiair him. At tip of his foot range you have no antiair except a balls out high counter which you will find yourself getting supered for doing half the time.

COMMENTS

BY: Ragingstorm101

Geese is good for guard crushing and his best groove would be K groove or A groove. K groove is preferred because he has such strong moves that can guard crush and then you can get a level 3.

Raging Storm is helpful but not a necessity. In fact, don't try to spend the entire match to do the super. If you do get the move out, but it doesn't hit or you lose all your life, what's the point? The official motion is dwn back, hcb, dwn fwd, + punch but I just do hcb hcb + punch. I like to do it on wake up because it's safe or if I know that someone is going to jump. Honestly in my opinion, you use Raging Storm when you know it's going to hit.

He has good normals such as s.lk, cr.lp, s.fierce, cr.fierce, f + fierce, s.RH, j.RH and low jump mk or RH.

If you're close to someone, do s.lk, cr.jab, cr.jab, cr.RH, cancel to jab reppuken. It doesn't matter if it hits or not. If it hits good, if it doesn't, then it still does good guard damage. HOWEVER, (big however), sometimes your opponent can hit you during the recovery from the reppuken. I've have numerous times where someone got a free Custom Combo on me or a level 3 super. So be careful (some examples are Blanka's level 3 Direct Lighting, Sagat's tiger cannon super or tiger raid, or just fast supers. CCs can usually hit Geese but people can mess up so that by the time the invincibility wears off, they get hit by the reppuken). BTW the point of the reppuken is to cancel the recovery time of the cr.RH. It can hit people who use safe fall grooves and safe fall after they get hit by the cr.RH.

if you can get a cross up after j.mk, you can do cr.jab (or s.lk), s.fierce, Deadly Rave (hcb, f _ lk jab jab short short, mp, mp, mk mk) then instead of finishing it, do cr.jab (or s.lk), s.fierce, hcb + mk. Usually it can dizzy a 63 stun character or make it close for a 70 char. What you can do is run up, low jump mk so that they can get hit and get stunned. Then do cr.jab (or s.lk), s.fierce, hcb + mk.

DON'T do random Jaei Kens (hcb + k). It's slow and sucks without being in a combo.

Counters jab counter is good for high counters (like jumps), special moves (moves that require direction and normals) and supers. This is the best part of Geese's counters. It can COUNTER SUPERS! But keep in mind, it can only counter non projectile supers. So don't try counter Ryu's shinku hadouken. ever.

mp counter = good for s.normals like s.fierce. fierce counter = counters cr.normals like cr.lk or cr.RH.