Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo/O. E. Honda

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Introduction

Why pick Old Honda? Old Honda loses ST Honda's 360 grab mixups, but gains important things as well:

• Regains his standing sweep kicks
• Has better ground fierce attacks
• Retains moving handslap

So the basics are HF-style grabby-into-slappy mixups.

Picking Old E.Honda

To select O.E.Honda, choose E.Honda and then press ↑ ↑ ↑ ↓ Jab/Fierce, pressing Short simultaneously with the punch button for the alternate color.

Normal	Secondary

--Born2SPD

Moves Analysis

Normal Moves

Ground Normals

Disclaimer: Ground normals take one extra frame to enter their start-up, which is the reason for the additional frame on the 'Simplified' row.

• Close/Far Standing Jab:

Damage	17
Stun	0~5
Stun Timer	40
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes*
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		2	2	4	2	1
Simplified		1 + 4		4	3

• Crouching Jab:

Damage	17
Stun	0~5
Stun Timer	40
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes*
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		2	2	8	2	1
Simplified		1 + 4		8	3

• Close/Far Standing Strong:

Damage	21
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	60
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		2	2	2	4	2	2	1
Simplified		1 + 6			4	5

• Crouching Strong:

Damage	21
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	60
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		2	2	2	8	6	4	1
Simplified		1 + 6			8	11

• Close/Far Standing Fierce:

Damage	26
Stun	10~16
Stun Timer	80
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		3	3	3	4
Simplified		1 + 6		7

Frame Count	7	5	3	2	1
Simplified	18

• Crouching Fierce:

Damage	27
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	130
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes*
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		2	3	4
Simplified		1 + 5		4

Frame Count	6	8	6	4	3	1
Simplified	28

• Close Standing Short:

Damage	16
Stun	0~5
Stun Timer	40
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		1	2	3	3	1
Simplified		1 + 3		3	4

• Far Standing Short:

Damage	17
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	130
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		3	3	3	4	3	3	1
Simplified		1 + 9			4	7

• Crouching Short:

Damage	16
Stun	0~5
Stun Timer	40
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		3	3	3	3	3	3	1
Simplified		1 + 9			3	7

• Close Standing Forward:

Damage	19
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	60
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		3	3	5	7	1
Simplified		1 + 6		5	8

• Far Standing Forward:

Damage	21
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	130
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		3	3	3	4	5	6	1
Simplified		1 + 9			4	12

• Crouching Forward:

Damage	12+21
Stun	5~11+5~11
Stun Timer	60+60
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		3	3	3	6	5	4	1
Simplified		1 + 6		3	6	10

• Close Standing Roundhouse:

Damage	4+26
Stun	3~9+10~16
Stun Timer	40+80
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		2	2	3	3	5
Simplified		1 + 7			3	5

Frame Count	8	6	3	1
Simplified	18

• Far Standing Roundhouse:

Damage	24
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	130
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		3	3	3	6	8	10	1
Simplified		1 + 9			6	19

• Crouching Roundhouse:

Damage	27
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	130
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		3	4	6	4	8	6	1
Simplified		1 + 7		6	4	8	7

Aerial Normals

• Neutral Jumping Jab:

Damage	17
Stun	1~7
Stun Timer	40
Frame Count		2	3	3	30	∞
Simplified		8			30	∞

• Diagonal Jumping Jab:

Damage	14
Stun	1~7
Stun Timer	40
Frame Count		2	3	3	30	∞
Simplified		8			30	∞

• Neutral Jumping Strong:

Damage	19
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	50
Frame Count		3	4	4	12
Simplified		7		16

Frame Count	8	4	4	∞
Simplified	∞

• Diagonal Jumping Strong:

Damage	19
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	50
Frame Count		3	4	4	12
Simplified		7		16

Frame Count	8	4	4	∞
Simplified	∞

• Neutral Jumping Fierce:

Damage	27
Stun	11~17
Stun Timer	60
Frame Count		3	4	6	8	4	4	∞
Simplified		7		6	∞

• Diagonal Jumping Fierce:

Damage	26
Stun	3~9
Stun Timer	40
Frame Count		3	4	8	8	4	4	∞
Simplified		7		8	∞

• Neutral Jumping Short:

Damage	14
Stun	1~7
Stun Timer	40
Frame Count		3	4	30	4	∞
Simplified		7		30	∞

• Diagonal Jumping Short:

Damage	14
Stun	1~7
Stun Timer	40
Frame Count		3	4	∞
Simplified		7		∞

• Neutral Jumping Forward:

Damage	19
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	50
Frame Count		3	4	12	4	4	4	4	4	∞
Simplified		7		12	∞

• Diagonal Jumping Forward:

Damage	19
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	50
Frame Count		3	4	12	4	4	4	4	4	∞
Simplified		7		12	∞

• Neutral Jumping Roundhouse:

Damage	26
Stun	11~17
Stun Timer	60
Frame Count		3	4	12	4	4	4	4	4	∞
Simplified		7		12	∞

• Diagonal Jumping Roundhouse:

Damage	26
Stun	3~9
Stun Timer	40
Frame Count		3	4	10	4	4	4	4	4	∞
Simplified		7		10	∞

Command Normals

• Double Knee Attack: (On ground and close, ←/→ + Forward)

Damage	22+14
Stun	5~11+5~11
Stun Timer	60+60
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		3	3	3	3	3
Simplified		1 + 9			3	3

Frame Count	2	2	2	1
Simplified	7

• Flying Sumo Press: (Jump diagonally, ↙/↓/↘ + Forward)

Damage	21
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	50
Frame Count		3	4	∞
Simplified		7		∞

Throws

E.Honda can throw using Strong, Fierce and Roundhouse. All his throws have the same range, which happens to be the best normal throw range in the game.

• Tawara Nage: (←/→ + Strong)

Damage	32
Stun	7~13
Stun Timer	100
Range (from axis)	64
(from throwable box)	36

E.Honda tosses the opponent. The direction of the joystick determines the direction the enemy gets tossed at. Better used in the rare cases where you find yourself cornered and want to corner the opponent.

• Saba Ori: (←/→ + Fierce)

Damage	24 + 4*n
Set amount of hits	8
Holds do no stun
Range (from axis)	64
(from throwable box)	36

This is the throw you will be using the most. It's untechable, does nice damage, and sets up crossup / walk under / tick shenanigans. You can even crossup / walk under when in the corner after a fierce grab (you can walk under, cr. RH for a crossup, or go for a crossup d + Forward, cr.Jab, Oicho, etc). Note that some characters (Balrog, Cammy, DeeJay, Vega, Fei Long) cannot be walked under outside of the corner.

• Sekkan Kyaku: (←/→ + Roundhouse)

Damage	24 + 4*n
Set amount of hits	7
Holds do no stun
Range (from axis)	64
(from throwable box)	36

E.Honda's knee bash. The only use I see in this throw is for throw mashing (so an HHS will not come out) because the Fierce throw gives you a better positioning when the opponent releases himself from the grab.

Special Moves

All motions are listed under the assumption that E.Honda is facing right.

• Hyakuretsu Harite a.k.a. Hundred Hands Slap: (Press P repeatedly)
• Startup:

Frame Count (Jab)	1	3
Simplified (Jab)	4
Frame Count (Strong)	3	4
Simplified (Strong)	7
Frame Count (Fierce)	4	6
Simplified (Fierce)	10

• Active:

Damage (Jab)	21/19
Damage (Strong)	22/21
Damage (Fierce)	24/22
Stun	5~11
Stun Timer	100
Frame Count (Jab)		4	4	4
Frame Count (Strong)		2	2	2
Frame Count (Fierce)		1	1	1

Frame Count (Jab)	4	4	4
Frame Count (Strong)	2	2	2
Frame Count (Fierce)	1	1	1

NOTE: That frame data only provides the frame data for one "cycle" of the HHS animation, but does not present the Minimal Durations of the move. So, in case you only do the 4 punch presses needed you will get the minimal duration. Note that O.E.Honda can slap forever unlike N.E.Honda which has a limit. That detailed frame data can be found here:

Cycles		1						2						3						Total
Jab	MIN	4	4	4	3	X	X													15
Strong	MIN	2	2	2	2	2	2	2	1	X	X	X	X							15
Fierce	MIN	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	1	X	X	X	15
Cycles		1						2						3						Total

• Recovery:

Frame Count (Jab)	1	1
Simplified (Jab)	2
Frame Count (Strong)	3	1
Simplified (Strong)	4
Frame Count (Fierce)	5	1
Simplified (Fierce)	6

The lower damage value is for the low hitting frames.

• Super Zutsuki a.k.a. Headbutt: (Charge ←, →, P)

Detailed Input: (Charge ← for at least 60f, [0~7f] → [0~10/9/7f] Jab/Strong/Fierce. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the P button)

• Startup+Active:

Damage (Jab)	24	Jab & Strong Only			Jab	Strong & Fierce	Jab	Strong & Fierce
Damage (Strong)	26
Damage (Fierce)	27
Stun	9~15
Stun Timer	100
Frame Count (Jab)		3	4	6	3		3		22
Simplified (Jab)		13			6				22
Frame Count (Strong)		1	2	6	2		2		53
Simplified (Strong)		11					2		53
Frame Count (Fierce)		X	1	4	1		1		53
Simplified (Fierce)		6					1		53

• Recovery/knockback: (If it hits during the airbone part, the knockback will be airbone till the 4º hitbox image)

Frame Count	4	4	4	8/9	2	2	1
Simplified	25/26

Jab headbutt will be your main defensive tool. It has invincibility on startup and has excellent vertical and horizontal range, which makes jumping in or getting in-close Honda a nearly impossible task. Learn to time your Jab headbutt and matches against non-fireballers will become way easier.
Fierce version is very fast and can be used to safely pressure and punish mistakes (whiffs or people coming down from a jumping attack for example) at mid range. Avoid using it from full-screen especially if out opponent is near the corner as he can jump it on reaction and punish you afterwards.

• Super Hyakkan Otoshi a.k.a. Butt Drop: (Charge ↓, ↑, K)

Detailed Input: (Charge ↓ for at least 60f, [0~7f] ↑ [0~10/9/7/5f] Short/Forward/Roundhouse/any K if you are at a jumpable state. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button)

• Startup:

Frame Count (Short)	1	4	5	2	5	4
Simplified (Short)	21
Frame Count (Forward)	1	3	4	2	5	4
Simplified (Forward)	19
Frame Count (Rh)	1	3	4	2	4	4
Simplified (Rh)	18... (42)

• Active+Recovery:

Damage (Short)	21	Short & Forward	Roundhouse	File:OEHonda bdrop8to10anm.png
Damage (Frwrd)	24
Damage (Rh)	27
Stun	9~15/2~8
Stun Timer	100/90
Frame Count (Short)		9		9 (3 + 3 +3)	2	2	10	4
Simplified (Short)		9		13			10	4
Frame Count (Forward)		9		9 (3 + 3 +3)	2	2	12	5
Simplified (Forward)		9		13			12	5
Frame Count (Rh)		11		9 (3 + 3 +3)	2	2	15	6
Simplified (Rh)		...24 (42)					15	6

Short version hits on the way up (so it's a decent antiand is useful to get over projectiles from far away. Forward hits on the way up too, can be used to stuff projectile attempts at the right distance, and is a risky way to get over projectiles (can be punished by sweeps -shotos- and jumping attacks -Guile, DeeJay- if they see it coming). Roundhouse should be used mainly for crossups, mixups and setting ticks rather than as a way to avoid projectiles, as it is extremely easy to punish in those situations. It hits only on the way down unlike the other versions.
To use as a pressure / mixup tool, it's a good idea to do cr.Short xx Smash, varying strenghts to make the opponent guess if you are going to cross-up or not, and mixing up ticks in-between.
The lower stun value is for the downward active part of the Short version only.