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===Throws===
===Throws===
O.M.Bison can only throw with Strong and Fierce. He has no kick throws, but Bison can still tech throws with any medium or higher punch or kick even if Bison has no kick throws. This rule applies to all characters.
O.M.Bison can only throw with Strong and Fierce. He has no kick throws, but Bison can still tech throws with any medium or higher punch or kick even if Bison has no kick throws. This rule only applies to all ST "new" characters, though, so as an "old" character, you won't be teching anything.
*<b>Deadly Throw:</b> (←/→ + Strong/Fierce)
*<b>Deadly Throw:</b> (←/→ + Strong/Fierce)
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Revision as of 17:14, 2 September 2012

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The Characters

Old M. Bison's portrait in Super Turbo

Introduction

Picking Old M.Bison

To select O.M.Bison, choose M.Bison and then press ↓ ↑ ↑ ↓ Jab or Fierce, pressing Short simultaneously with the punch button for the alternate color.

Normal Secondary
Mbison-old1.gif Mbison-old2.gif

--Born2SPD

New & Old Versions Comparison

Here is the list of differences:

  • Obvious stuff: O.M.Bison can not tech throws and does not have a Super;
  • O.M.Bison has some differences in some of his normals:
    • Close Standing Forward has much worse priority;
    • Far Standing Forward has worse priority as a poke, but is less vulnerable to low normals (overall, N.M.Bison's better);
    • Far Standing Roundhouse has same changes as the far forward;
    • Diagonal Jump Strong is a 1-hit normal that does not have juggle properties;
  • Devil's Reverse special move was reworked, and O.M.Bison's has a reversal bug similar to those of T.Hawk's Rising Hawk and the supers of Sagat, Ken, and Dhalsim (executing the last special you did instead);

O.M.Bison is a waste of time. His standing kicks are worse, he does not have his powerful Diagonal Jump Strong that juggles, his Devil's Reverse is useless and he can not tech throws as well. But what really puts O.M.Bison very far from his N.counterpart is the lack of his awesome super, which can save your life from many situations where you find yourself helpless without it.

Moves Analysis

Normal Moves

Ground Normals

Disclaimer: Ground normals take one extra frame to enter their start-up, which is the reason for the additional frame on the 'Simplified' row.

  • Close/Far Standing Jab:
Damage 4 OMBison stcljab1&3 stfarjab1&3.png OMBison stcljab2 stfarjab2.png OMBison stcljab1&3 stfarjab1&3.png
Stun 0~5
Stun Timer 40
Chain Cancel Yes
Special Cancel Yes
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 3 4 4
Simplified 1 + 3 4 4

Bison does a quick standing jab, can be rapid fired to stop Honda's Torpedos and Blanka's Ball though it's not entirely reliable, useful in some anti-air situations.

  • Crouching Jab:
Damage 4 OMBison crjab1&3.png OMBison crjab2.png OMBison crjab1&3.png
Stun 0~5
Stun Timer 40
Chain Cancel Yes
Special Cancel Yes
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 3 4 4
Simplified 1 + 3 4 4

This is a rapid-fire move that is used in combos and ticks. The priority is hideous, so it has mostly no use anywhere else.

  • Close Standing Strong:
Damage 19 OMBison stclstrng1&4 stfarstrng1&4 stclfrc1&4 stfarfrc1&4.png OMBison stclstrng2.png OMBison stclstrng3 stfarstrng3 stclfrc3.png OMBison stclstrng1&4 stfarstrng1&4 stclfrc1&4 stfarfrc1&4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes/No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 2 4 4 8
Simplified 1 + 2 8 8

Bison does a body shot that can be used in ticks, also doubles as a throw command, can favorably trade with Dhalsim.

  • Far Standing Strong:
Damage 19 OMBison stclstrng1&4 stfarstrng1&4 stclfrc1&4 stfarfrc1&4.png OMBison stfarstrng2 stclfrc2 stfarfrc2.png OMBison stclstrng3 stfarstrng3 stclfrc3.png OMBison stclstrng1&4 stfarstrng1&4 stclfrc1&4 stfarfrc1&4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 2 4 4 8
Simplified 1 + 6 4 8


  • Crouching Strong:
Damage 19 OMBison crstrng1&4 crfrc1&4.png OMBison crstrng2 crfrc2.png OMBison crstrng3.png OMBison crstrng1&4 crfrc1&4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes*
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 2 2 4 8
Simplified 1 + 4 4 8


  • Close Standing Fierce:
Damage 24 OMBison stclstrng1&4 stfarstrng1&4 stclfrc1&4 stfarfrc1&4.png OMBison stfarstrng2 stclfrc2 stfarfrc2.png OMBison stclstrng3 stfarstrng3 stclfrc3.png OMBison stclstrng1&4 stfarstrng1&4 stclfrc1&4 stfarfrc1&4.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 4 4 6 19
Simplified 1 + 8 6 19


  • Far Standing Fierce:
Damage 24 OMBison stclstrng1&4 stfarstrng1&4 stclfrc1&4 stfarfrc1&4.png OMBison stfarstrng2 stclfrc2 stfarfrc2.png OMBison stfarfrc3.png OMBison stclstrng1&4 stfarstrng1&4 stclfrc1&4 stfarfrc1&4.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 4 4 6 19
Simplified 1 + 8 6 19

Bison's main ground to air defense in lieu of a Knee Press Nightmare, also doubles as a throw command, can favorably trade with Dhalsim.

  • Crouching Fierce:
Damage 24 OMBison crstrng1&4 crfrc1&4.png OMBison crstrng2 crfrc2.png OMBison crfrc3.png OMBison crstrng1&4 crfrc1&4.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 4 4 6 19
Simplified 1 + 8 6 19

Bison does a slow punch while crouching, with correct timing it can be used to beat T.Hawk's splash, as well as other moves when used as an anti-air.

  • Close Standing Short:
Damage 12 OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png OMBison stclshrt2.png OMBison stclshrt3.png
Stun 0~5
Stun Timer 40
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 2 2 1
Simplified 1 + 2 2 1

Bison does a quick knee that is used mainly in combos and ticking.

  • Far Standing Short:
Damage 12 OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png OMBison stfarshrt3.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png
Stun 0~5
Stun Timer 40
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes*
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 2 2 4 3
Simplified 1 + 4 4 3


  • Crouching Short:
Damage 12 OMBison crshrt1&3 crfrwrd1&3 crrh3.png OMBison crshrt2.png OMBison crshrt1&3 crfrwrd1&3 crrh3.png
Stun 0~5
Stun Timer 40
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes*
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 4 4 5
Simplified 1 + 4 4 5


  • Close Standing Forward:
Damage 19 OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png OMBison stclfrwrd3.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 3 3 5 8 1
Simplified 1 + 6 5 9


  • Far Standing Forward:
Damage 21 OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png OMBison stfarfrwrd3.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 3 3 5 8 1
Simplified 1 + 6 5 9

Bison's main "harassment" move. It is safe, beats fireballs, controls a large amount of space, and can be whiffed while charging to start a pindown.

  • Crouching Forward:
Damage 21 OMBison crshrt1&3 crfrwrd1&3 crrh3.png OMBison crfrwrd2.png OMBison crshrt1&3 crfrwrd1&3 crrh3.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 60
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel Yes*
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 4 8 5
Simplified 1 + 4 8 5

This move is great as a meaty on wakeup because it can stuff even Shoryus with proper timing. Bufferable, on block can safely be used to setup an lk Scissor Kick for a pindown.

  • Close Standing Roundhouse:
Damage 26 OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png OMBison stclrh3.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 3 3 6 17 1
Simplified 1 + 6 6 18


  • Far Standing Roundhouse:
Damage 26 OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png OMBison stfarrh3.png OMBison stfarshrt2&4 stclfrwrd2&4 stfarfrwrd2&4 stclrh2&4 stfarrh2&4.png OMBison stclshrt1 stfarshrt1 stclfrwrd1&5 stfarfrwrd1&5 stclrh1&5 stfarrh1&5.png
Stun 10~16
Stun Timer 80
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 3 3 6 17 1
Simplified 1 + 6 6 18

A slower version of MK. Deals really solid damage and stun and has some of the same uses as MK. It is great as a whiff punisher for things such as OG Ken Jab Shoryuken.

  • Crouching Roundhouse:
Damage 26 OMBison crrh1.png OMBison crrh2.png OMBison crshrt1&3 crfrwrd1&3 crrh3.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 130
Chain Cancel No
Special Cancel No
Frame Advantage ?
Frame Count 6 29 17
Simplified 1 + 6 29 17

Slide trip. It is useful if opponent techs your tick throw, and also great for positioning with a knockdown. This is quite unsafe on block, from most distances. It also does not work as anti-air.

Aerial Normals

  • Neutral Jumping Jab:
Damage 11 OMBison njjab1 njstrng1.png OMBison njjab2 njstrng2.png
Stun 1~7
Stun Timer 40
Frame Count 3


  • Diagonal Jumping Jab:
Damage 11 OMBison djjab1&3 djstrng1&3.png OMBison djjab2.png OMBison djjab1&3 djstrng1&3.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 1~7
Stun Timer 40
Frame Count 2 40 6
Simplified 2 40

Can be used as a crossup.

  • Neutral Jumping Strong:
Damage 19 OMBison njjab1 njstrng1.png OMBison njjab2 njstrng2.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 50
Frame Count 3 20


  • Diagonal Jumping Strong:
Damage 19 OMBison djjab1&3 djstrng1&3.png OMBison djstrng2.png OMBison djjab1&3 djstrng1&3.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 50
Frame Count 3 20 6
Simplified 3 20


  • Neutral Jumping Fierce:
Damage 24 OMBison njfrc1.png OMBison njfrc2&4.png OMBison njfrc3.png OMBison njfrc2&4.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 11~17
Stun Timer 60
Frame Count 2 4 10 6
Simplified 6 10


  • Diagonal Jumping Fierce:
Damage 24 OMBison djfrc1.png OMBison djfrc2&4.png OMBison djfrc3.png OMBison djfrc2&4.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 11~17
Stun Timer 60
Frame Count 3 6 12 5
Simplified 9 12


  • Neutral Jumping Short:
Damage 11 OMBison njshrt1&3.png OMBison njshrt2.png OMBison njshrt1&3.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 1~7
Stun Timer 40
Frame Count 2 40 3
Simplified 2 40

Great priority, stays out for a really long time, low damage but it does beat a lot air to air.

  • Diagonal Jumping Short:
Damage 11 OMBison djshrt1&3.png OMBison djshrt2.png OMBison djshrt1&3.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 1~7
Stun Timer 40
Frame Count 2 40 3
Simplified 2 40


  • Neutral Jumping Forward:
Damage 21 OMBison njfrwrd1 njrh1.png OMBison njfrwrd2 njrh2.png OMBison njfrwrd3.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 50
Frame Count 1 2 20
Simplified 3 20

Stay out a decent amount of time, horizontal kick can stuff problem jump ins like Shoto j.hk quite well.

  • Diagonal Jumping Forward:
Damage 21 OMBison djfrwrd1.png OMBison djfrwrd2.png OMBison djfrwrd3.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 5~11
Stun Timer 50
Frame Count 3 20 5
Simplified 3 20

Great when used as an instant overhead, excellent cross-up, can stuff Blanka's Up Ball which comes into play very often.

  • Neutral Jumping Roundhouse:
Damage 26 OMBison njfrwrd1 njrh1.png OMBison njfrwrd2 njrh2.png OMBison njrh3.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 11~17
Stun Timer 60
Frame Count 3 2 8
Simplified 5 8

Like the neutral jumping forward but with more range and priority but less attacking frames.

  • Diagonal Jumping Roundhouse:
Damage 26 OMBison djrh1&3.png OMBison djrh2.png OMBison djrh1&3.png OMBison djjab4 njstrng3 djstrng4 njfrc5 djfrc5 njshrt4 djshrt4 njfrwrd4 djfrwrd4 njrh4 djrh4.png
Stun 11~17
Stun Timer 60
Frame Count 5 8 5
Simplified 5 8

Great crossup, big damage, easier to use than j.Fowd on slimmer characters. Decent priority air to air.

Throws

O.M.Bison can only throw with Strong and Fierce. He has no kick throws, but Bison can still tech throws with any medium or higher punch or kick even if Bison has no kick throws. This rule only applies to all ST "new" characters, though, so as an "old" character, you won't be teching anything.

  • Deadly Throw: (←/→ + Strong/Fierce)
Damage 32 OMBison throwb.png OMBison throw.png OMBison throwf.png
Stun 7~13
Stun Timer 100
Range (from axis) 52
(from throwable box) 24

Special Moves

All motions are listed under the assumption that O.M.Bison is facing right.

  • Psycho Crusher a.k.a. Torpedo: (Charge ←, →, P)

Detailed Input: (Charge ← for at least 60f, [0~7f] → [0~11/9/7f] Jab/Strong/Fierce. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the P button)

Damage (Jab) 22 OMBison pc1.png OMBison pc2.png OMBison pc3.png File:OMBison pc4&6.png File:OMBison pc5anm.png
Damage (Strong) 24
Damage (Fierce) 26
Stun 9~15
Stun Timer 100
Frame Count (Jab) 3 4 4 7 32
Simplified (Jab) 18 32
Frame Count (Strong) 2 3 3 7 36
Simplified (Strong) 15 36
Frame Count (Fierce) 1 1 2 7 62
Simplified (Fierce) 11 62
File:OMBison pc4&6.png File:OMBison pc7.png OMBison pc8.png
Frame Count 4 5 7
Simplified 16

Bison flies across the screen in flames. It can do a maximum of 3 blocked hits. The distance and the speed at which it travels depends on the strength of the punch. It has been severely weakened since Super SFII, no longer has great priority besides the Jab version. Can be used to escape corners at times and can also hit opponents from behind/underneath with ridiculous timing and a lot of balls. Generally, stick with the scissor kick. If you make a mistake you can easily corner yourself. Normals beat this far too easily.

  • Double Knee Press a.k.a. Scissor Kick: (Charge ←, →, K)

Detailed Input: (Charge ← for at least 78f, [0~7f] → [0~11/9/7f] Short/Forward/Roundhouse. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button)

Damage (Short) 19+11 OMBison kp1&7.png OMBison kp2.png OMBison kp3.png OMBison kp4.png OMBison kp5.png OMBison kp6.png OMBison kp1&7.png
Damage (Forward) 21+11
Damage (Rh) 22+11
Stun 9~15+1~7
Stun Timer 100+50
Frame Count (Short) 3 1 1 3 8 10 10
Simplified (Short) 8 8 10 10
Frame Count (Forward) 3 1 1 3 8 10 11
Simplified (Forward) 8 8 10 11
Frame Count (Rh) 3 1 1 3 8 10 12
Simplified (Rh) 8 8 10 12

Bison kicks the opponent twice in a forward motion. The distance and speed at which it travels depends on the strength of the kick. When properly spaced to do only one hit, they can be quite safe and useful in pindown strategies. They also are quite useful for scoring knockdowns if opponent tries to counter standing kicks or do low attacks. Can be used as a ghetto anti air, unlike the Psycho Crusher which gets stuffed a lot.

  • Head Stomp: (Charge ↓, ↑, K)

Detailed Input: (Charge ↓ for at least 60f, [0~7f] ↑ [0~11/9/7/1f] Short/Forward/Roundhouse/any K if you are at a jumpable state. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button)

Damage (Short) 17 OMBison hs1 hsb8.png OMBison hs2 hsb7.png OMBison hs3.png OMBison hs4.png Short Forward & Rh
Damage (Forward) 19 OMBison hs5shrt.png OMBison hs5.png
Damage (Rh) 21
Stun 9~15
Stun Timer 100
Frame Count 2 12 8 8 20/27/?
Simplified 30 ?
  • Bounce/Recovery:
OMBison hsb1&3.png OMBison hsb2.png OMBison hsb1&3.png OMBison hsb4.png OMBison hsb5.png OMBison hsb6.png OMBison hs2 hsb7.png OMBison hs1 hsb8.png
Frame Count 7 (IF) 7 (IF) + 1 6 6 6 6 6
Simplified 6

Bison flies towards the opponent and stomps their head with his boots. You can move very flexibly after the head stomp makes contact with a grounded opponent, but when the head stomp hits an airborne opponent, the control over mobility is not as flexible. Works well to get over fireballs.

  • Somersault Skull Diver: (P, during the Bounce/Recovery animation of Head Stomp)
Damage (Jab) 22 OMBison sd1&3.png Jab Strong Fierce Strong & Fierce Only OMBison sd5.png
Damage (Strong) 24 OMBison sd2jab.png OMBison sd2strng.png OMBison sd2frc.png OMBison sd1&3.png OMBison sd4.png
Damage (Fierce) 26
Stun 9~15
Stun Timer 100
Frame Count (Jab) 3 X X 6
Simplified (Jab) 3 X 6
Frame Count (Strong) 4 20 6 6
Simplified (Strong) 4 20 6
Frame Count (Fierce) 6 8 6 6
Simplified (Fierce) 6 8 6

This is the punch that hits the opponent's head after head stomp. You can move left or right using the joystick while performing this move. The active hitting duration of the move depends on the strength of the punch. This can combo in really weird situations.

  • Devil Reverse: (Charge ↓, ↑, P)

Detailed Input: (Charge ↓ for at least 61f, [0~7f] ↑ [0~11/9/7/1f] Jab/Strong/Fierce/any P if you are at a jumpable state. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the P button)

Damage (Jab) 24 OMBison dr1.png OMBison dr2.png OMBison dr3.png OMBison dr4.png OMBison dr5.png OMBison dr6.png OMBison dr7.png
Damage (Strong) 26
Damage (Fierce) 27
Stun 9~15
Stun Timer 100
Frame Count (Jab) 6 4 4 4 29 6 12
Simplified (Jab) 53 12
Frame Count (Strong) 6 4 4 4 29 6 13
Simplified (Strong) 53 13
Frame Count (Fierce) 6 4 4 4 29 6 14
Simplified (Fierce) 53 14
OMBison dr8.png OMBison dr9.png OMBison dr10.png OMBison dr11.png
Frame Count (Jab) 2 2 2 6
Simplified (Jab) 4 8
Frame Count (Strong) 2 2 1 8
Simplified (Strong) 4 9
Frame Count (Fierce) 2 2 1 10
Simplified (Fierce) 4 11


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