Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo/O. E. Honda: Difference between revisions

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Introduction

Why pick Old Honda? Old Honda loses ST Honda's 360 grab mixups, but gains important things as well:

Regains his standing sweep kicks
Has better ground fierce attacks
Retains moving handslap

So the basics are HF-style grabby-into-slappy mixups.

Picking Old E.Honda

To select O.E.Honda, choose E.Honda and then press ↑ ↑ ↑ ↓ Jab/Fierce, pressing Short simultaneously with the punch button for the alternate color.

Normal	Secondary

--Born2SPD

Moves Analysis

Normal Moves

Ground Normals

Close/Far Standing Jab:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?

Crouching Jab:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?

Close/Far Standing Strong:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?	?

Crouching Strong:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?	?

Close/Far Standing Fierce:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?


Frame Count	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified	?

Crouching Fierce:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Count		?	?	?
Simplified		?		?


Frame Count	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified	?

Close Standing Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?

Far Standing Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?	?

Crouching Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?	?

Close Standing Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?

Far Standing Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?	?

Crouching Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?	?

Close Standing Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?	?


Frame Count	?	?	?	?
Simplified	?

Far Standing Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?	?

Crouching Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?	?	?

Aerial Normals

Neutral Jumping Jab:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?			?	∞

Diagonal Jumping Jab:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?			?	∞

Neutral Jumping Strong:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?


Frame Count	?	?	?	∞
Simplified	∞

Diagonal Jumping Strong:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?


Frame Count	?	?	?	∞
Simplified	∞

Neutral/Diagonal Jumping Fierce:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Neutral Jumping Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Diagonal Jumping Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	∞
Simplified		?		∞

Neutral Jumping Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Diagonal Jumping Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Neutral Jumping Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Diagonal Jumping Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Command Normals

Double Knee Attack: (On ground and close, ←/→ + Forward)

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?	?


Frame Count	?	?	?	?
Simplified	?

Flying Sumo Press: (Jump diagonally, ↙/↓/↘ + Forward)

Damage	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count		?	?	∞
Simplified		?		∞

Throws

E.Honda can throw using Strong, Fierce and Roundhouse. All his throws have the same range, which happens to be the best normal throw range in the game.

Tawara Nage: (←/→ + Strong)

Damage	?(+?)
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	100
Range (from axis)	64
Range advantage	36

E.Honda tosses the opponent. The direction of the joystick determines the direction the enemy gets tossed at. Better used in the rare cases where you find yourself cornered and want to corner the opponent.

Saba Ori: (←/→ + Fierce)

Damage	? + ?*n
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	0
Range (from axis)	64
Range advantage	36

This is the throw you will be using the most. It's untechable, does nice damage, and sets up crossup / walk under / tick shenanigans. You can even crossup / walk under when in the corner after a fierce grab (you can walk under, cr. RH for a crossup, or go for a crossup d + Forward, cr.Jab, Oicho, etc). Note that some characters (Balrog, Cammy, DeeJay, Vega, Fei Long) cannot be walked under outside of the corner.

Sekkan Kyaku: (←/→ + Roundhouse)

Damage	? + ?*n
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	0
Range (from axis)	64
Range advantage	36

E.Honda's knee bash. The only use I see in this throw is for throw mashing (so an HHS will not come out) because the Fierce throw gives you a better positioning when the opponent releases himself from the grab.

Special Moves

All motions are listed under the assumption that E.Honda is facing right.

Super Hyakkan Otoshi a.k.a. Butt Drop: (Charge ↓, ↑, K)
Startup:


Frame Count (Shrt)	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified (Shrt)	?
Frame Count (Frwrd)	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified (Frwrd)	?
Frame Count (Rh)	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified (Rh)	?

Active+Recovery:
Short/Forward Version:

Damage (Shrt)	?		File:OEHonda bdrop8.png	File:OEHonda bdrop9.png	File:OEHonda bdrop10.png
Damage (Frwrd)	?
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count (Shrt)		?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified (Shrt)		?	?					?	?
Frame Count (Frwrd)		?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified (Frwrd)		?	?					?	?

Roundhouse Version:

Damage (Rh)	?		File:OEHonda bdrop8.png	File:OEHonda bdrop9.png	File:OEHonda bdrop10.png
Stun	?-?
Stun Timer	?

Frame Count (Rh)		?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified (Rh)		?						?	?

Short version hits on the way up (so it's a decent antiand is useful to get over projectiles from far away. Also, it's a good mixup in Oicho setups. Forward hits on the way up too, can be used to stuff projectile attempts at the right distance, and is a risky way to get over projectiles (can be punished by sweeps -shotos- and jumping attacks -Guile, DeeJay- if they see it coming). Roundhouse should be used mainly for crossups, mixups and setting ticks rather than as a way to avoid projectiles, as it is extremely easy to punish in those situations. It hits only on the way down unlike the other versions.
To use as a pressure / mixup tool, it's a good idea to do cr.Short xx Smash, varying strenghts to make the opponent guess if you are going to cross-up or not, and mixing up ticks in-between.

The Basics

Advanced Strategy

Match-ups

Template:Super Turbo

@@ Line 592: / Line 592: @@
 ===Special Moves===
+All motions are listed under the assumption that E.Honda is facing right.
-*Headbutt - Charge back, forward + Punch.  Same as usual.
+*<b>Super Hyakkan Otoshi a.k.a. Butt Drop:</b> (Charge ↓, ↑, K)
-*Buttdrop - Charge down, up + Kick.  Same as usual.
+*<b>Startup:</b>
-*Hundred Handslap - tap punch repeatedly.  Can move and change speed during move.
+{| border="1em" cellspacing="0"  style="border: 1px solid #999;"
+| align="center" |  || align="center" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop1.png]] || align="center" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop2.png]] || align="center" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop3.png]] || align="center" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop4.png]] || align="center" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop5.png]] || align="center" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop6.png]]
+|-
+| align="center" | Frame Count (Shrt) || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" | Simplified (Shrt) || align="center" colspan="6" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" | Frame Count (Frwrd) || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" | Simplified (Frwrd) || align="center" colspan="6" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" | Frame Count (Rh) || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" | Simplified (Rh) || align="center" colspan="6" | ?
+|}
+*<b>Active+Recovery:</b>
+*<b>Short/Forward Version:</b>
+{| border="1em" cellspacing="0"  style="border: 1px solid #999;"
+| align="center" | Damage (Shrt) || align="center" | ? || align="center" rowspan="5" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop7.png]] || align="center" rowspan="5" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop8.png]] || align="center" rowspan="5" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop9.png]] || align="center" rowspan="5" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop10.png]] || align="center" rowspan="5" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop11.png]] || align="center" rowspan="5" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop12.png]] || align="center" rowspan="5" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop13.png]] || align="center" rowspan="5" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop14.png]]
+|-
+| align="center" | Damage (Frwrd) || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" | Stun || align="center" | ?-?
+|-
+| align="center" | Stun Timer || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" colspan="2" |
+|-
+| align="center" colspan="2" | Frame Count (Shrt) || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" colspan="2" | Simplified (Shrt) || align="center" | ? || align="center" colspan="5" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" colspan="2" | Frame Count (Frwrd) || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" colspan="2" | Simplified (Frwrd) || align="center" | ? || align="center" colspan="5" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ?
+|}
+*<b>Roundhouse Version:</b>
+{| border="1em" cellspacing="0"  style="border: 1px solid #999;"
+| align="center" | Damage (Rh) || align="center" | ? || align="center" rowspan="4" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop7rh.png]] || align="center" rowspan="4" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop8.png]] || align="center" rowspan="4" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop9.png]] || align="center" rowspan="4" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop10.png]] || align="center" rowspan="4" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop11.png]] || align="center" rowspan="4" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop12.png]] || align="center" rowspan="4" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop13.png]] || align="center" rowspan="4" | [[File:OEHonda_bdrop14.png]]
+|-
+| align="center" | Stun || align="center" | ?-?
+|-
+| align="center" | Stun Timer || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" colspan="2" |
+|-
+| align="center" colspan="2" | Frame Count (Rh) || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ?
+|-
+| align="center" colspan="2" | Simplified (Rh) || align="center" colspan="6" | ? || align="center" | ? || align="center" | ?
+|}
+Short version hits on the way up (so it's a decent antiand is useful to get over projectiles from far away. Also, it's a good mixup in Oicho setups. Forward hits on the way up too, can be used to stuff projectile attempts at the right distance, and is a risky way to get over projectiles (can be punished by sweeps -shotos- and jumping attacks -Guile, DeeJay- if they see it coming). Roundhouse should be used mainly for crossups, mixups and setting ticks rather than as a way to avoid projectiles, as it is extremely easy to punish in those situations. It hits only on the way down unlike the other versions.<br>
+To use as a pressure / mixup tool, it's a good idea to do cr.Short xx Smash, varying strenghts to make the opponent guess if you are going to cross-up or not, and mixing up ticks in-between.
 ==The Basics==