Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo/O. Vega

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Introduction

Picking Old Vega

To select O.Vega, choose Vega and then press ← → → ← Jab/Fierce, pressing Short simultaneously with the punch button for the alternate color.

Normal	Secondary

--Born2SPD

New & Old Versions Comparison

To select O.Vega, choose Vega and then press ← → → ← Jab/Fierce, pressing Short simultaneously with the punch button for the alternate color.

Here is the list of differences:

• Obvious stuff: O.Vega can not tech throws, does not have the Scarlet Terror special move and Super;
• O.Vega has some differences in some of his normals:
  • Close Standing Strong can be special canceled;
  • Close Standing Forward can be special canceled;
  • Far Standing Forward can be special canceled;
• O.Vega's Flying Barcelona Attack have a buggy input detection: the kick button must be pressed before ↑;
• O.Vega's Flying Barcelona Attack have a "suck-in" property on hit: the opponent always falls in the direction of the wall O.Vega dived from;

O.Vega is not worthy, mainly because the loss of Scarlet Terror, which is Vega's dedicated anti air/counter move and the only proper reversal. His new cancels aren't that great, and his suck in Wall Dive isn't really beneficial because you normally don't want opponents to be pushed towards you, especially in the corner. Also, the opponent's body is still turned the correct way so you can't create any confusion on what side you hit. The only minor interesting bit to this glitch is that since the opponent's body sucks in towards you, you can force him to lose charge by sliding underneath but it's so obvious and inefficient that it can hardly be counted as a benefit.

Moves Analysis

Disclaimer: To better understand the diagrams, read this.
Losing the claw makes all punch attacks (including specials) to do less damage. Also, punch normals and some Specials will have worse priority.

Normal Moves

Ground Normals

• Close/Far Standing Jab:

Damage + Claw	?+?			With Claw	Without Claw
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?		?
Simplified		?		?		?

Very short range, misses crouching opponents. Sometimes useful as quick anti-air against late crossups.

• Crouching Jab:

Damage + Claw	?+?				With Claw	Without Claw
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?

Frame Count	?	?	?	?
Simplified	?

Very quick and long range. These do not combo, but the window to counter is very narrow. This move goes past the opponent and whiffs at point blank range.

• Close Standing Strong:

Damage + Claw	?+?			With Claw	Without Claw
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes*
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?		?
Simplified		?		?		?

A high claw that misses crouching characters. Unlike a normal Strong, you can combo after it. Note that only O.Vega can special cancel this move.

• Far Standing Strong:

Damage + Claw	?+?			With Claw	Without Claw
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?		?	?
Simplified		?		?		?

Lunges forward with good range. Hitbox has a little more height than Far Standing Fierce, but less horizontal reach.

• Crouching Strong:

Damage + Claw	?+?				With Claw	Without Claw
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?

Frame Count	?	?	?	?
Simplified	?

Like the Crouching Jab, but slightly slower, with a bit more range & more damaging. Also misses at point blank range.

• Close Standing Fierce:

Damage + Claw	?+?				With Claw	Without Claw
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?		?	?
Simplified		?			?		?

Like Close Standing Strong.

• Far Standing Fierce:

Damage + Claw	?+?				With Claw	Without Claw
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
F. Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?		?	?
Simplified		?		?			?

This is Vega's longest range move, and does good damage. You can press it early from 1/2 screen and catch people walking in or trying to fireball.

• Crouching Fierce:

Damage + Claw	?+?				With Claw	Without Claw
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?

Frame Count	?	?	?	?
Simplified	?

A crouching upwards-angled claw. This is decent anti-air against people with low jumps like Zangief or Balrog, and you keep your charges too.

• Close Standing Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?

A quick knee. Different animation than Far Short, but works the same.

• Far Standing Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?

A very quick knee attack with good priority. Useful for tick throwing.

• Crouching Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?				?	?

OK to push away someone that's too close.

• Close Standing Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes*
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?

Vega does a slightly different looking kick, but it works the same. Note that only O.Vega can special cancel this move.

• Far Standing Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes*
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?

A straight kick with decent range. This beats attacks that stuff your low claws, like Balrog's Crouching Forward. Note that only O.Vega can special cancel this move.

• Crouching Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	Yes
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?				?	?

A very useful low kick. You can always link another Crouching Forward or a Crouching Strong after this to keep opponents at your preferred distance. You can whiff these on purpose if they like to Psychic DP your claw pokes.

• Close Standing Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?		?	?

Animates the same as a normal Far Forward.

• Far Standing Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?				?	?

High anti-air kick with great range. Hits many air moves including T.Hawk's dive.

• Crouching Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?
Stun Timer	?
Chain Cancel	No
Special Cancel	No
Frame Advantage	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?
Simplified		?			?	?

A Slide. This can be punished up close, but is safe at long distance. Often trades hits with fireballs.

Aerial Normals

• Neutral Jumping Jab:

Damage + Claw	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?	?	∞

High claw attack with excellent startup.

• Diagonal Jumping Jab:

Damage + Claw	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

High claw attack. Not useful.

• Neutral Jumping Strong:

Damage + Claw	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?	?	∞

Same animation as J.Jab. This has some use in air-to-air vs. high jumpers like Chun Li or M.Bison.

• Diagonal Jumping Strong:

Damage + Claw	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Same animation as J.Jab. Not too good because of its mediocre priority.

• Neutral Jumping Fierce:

Damage + Claw	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Vega's aerial move with better horizontal priority. Can beat a lot ait-to-air by anticipation.

• Diagonal Jumping Fierce:

Damage + Claw	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Good combo opener, very good priority and hits low to the ground, making it excellent for safe jumps.

• Neutral Jumping Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

A worse version of NJ.Forward but with more attacking frames. Avoid this move.

• Diagonal Jumping Short:

Damage	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Low range, low damage, not very useful.

• Neutral Jumping Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Counters a lot of special moves like Honda's Torpedo or Blanka's Horizontal Ball.

• Diagonal Jumping Forward:

Damage	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

It's not a bad move, it has a decent priority, but since Fierce is straight better then use that instead.

• Neutral Jumping Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Like the DJ.Rh but with bigger hitbox.

• Diagonal Jumping Roundhouse:

Damage	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		?	?	?	?	?	?	∞
Simplified		?		?	∞

Best jumping attack with decent range.

Throws

Vega can throw using Strong and Fierce. He can air throw that way as well. The direction of the joystick determines the direction the enemy gets thrown at. All his ground throws have the same range and do 32 points of damage (plus two more if behind in rounds).

• Rainbow Suplex: (←/→ + Strong/Fierce)

Damage	32
Stun	7~13
Stun Timer	100
Range (from axis)	48
(from throwable box)	20

• Stardust Drop: (Vega and opponent in air, ↖/↙/←/→/↘/↗ + Strong/Fierce)

Damage	32
Stun	7~13
Stun Timer	100
Range (from axis)	62
(from throwable box)	34

Special Moves

• Back Slash a.k.a. Punch Back Flip: (Jab + Strong + Fierce)

Detailed Input: (Can be done crouching, all buttons must be pressed on the same frame, negative edge not possible)

Frame Count	1	7	8	19	3	8	8	9
Simplified	54							9

The punch version is a double flip which lasts longer. It is completely invincible, but have a brief vulnerable period at the end. It is handy for getting out of tick situations, but if you over-use it, the opponent will catch on and sweep you as it's ending.

• Short Back Slash a.k.a. Kick Back Flip: (Short + Forward + Roundhouse)

Detailed Input: (Can be done crouching, all buttons must be pressed on the same frame, negative edge not possible)

Frame Count	1	8	8	8	5	9
Simplified	30					9

The kick version is great at the last second as your opponent is rising; you can bait them into missing a reversal or throw attempt.

• Rolling Crystal Flash: (Charge ←, →, P)

Detailed Input: (Charge ← for at least 71f, [0~7f] → [0~10/9/7f] Jab/Strong/Fierce. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the P button)

• Startup:

Frame Count	5	5
Simplified	10

• Active part 1:
  • Jab Version: This does not occur.
  • Strong Version: This happens only once.
  • Fierce Version: This happens twice.

Damage	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		4	3	3	1	2
Simplified		4	6		1	2

• Active part 2 + Recovery:

Damage	?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		4	3	3	3	2	2
Simplified		4	6		3	4

Damage (Jab) + Claw	? + ?	With Claw	Without Claw
Damage (Strong) + Claw	? + ?
Damage (Fierce) + Claw	? + ?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		8		4	1
Simplified		8		5

Fierce roll is 4 hits of chip damage and good for finishing off a low-life opponent (note pun). Fierce & Strong rolls are not reliable and will often not combo all the hits even at close range. Jab roll should be your only one used, and is nice at pressuring from long range. All rolls can be followed up with C.Jab or C.Strong which will combo.

Rolls have curious priority that is not common knowledge. When done from close, priority is bad and rolls can be easily countered with most normals & special moves. However, when done from maximum range so that just the tip of the extended claw hits, the priority is excellent and will stuff nearly anything, including a wakeup Dragon Punch. It's very important to learn the range and timing so you can Jab Roll a knocked down opponent and have your claw extended as his wake-up invincibility ends.

• Wall Dive: (Charge ↓, ↑, K)

Detailed Input: (Charge ↓ for at least 61f, [0~7f] ↑ [0~11/9/7/3f] Short/Forward/Roundhouse/any K if you are at a jumpable state. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button. In ST for some odd reason this move can only be performed with a negative edge)

Frame Count	1	2	1	6+	5	40
Simplified	10+				5	40

• Flying Barcelona Attack: (P, while diving from Wall Dive. The strength of the attack is determined by the K button you activated the Dive, not the one you're using to attack)

Damage (Short) + Claw	? + ?		With Claw	Without Claw
Damage (Forward) + Claw	? + ?
Damage (Rh) + Claw	? + ?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		3	6		3	∞
Simplified		3	6		∞

• Izuna Drop: (↖/↙/←/→/↘/↗ + P, while diving from Wall Dive)

Damage	?(+?)
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Range (from axis)	53
(from throwable box)	25

• Landing frames:

Frame Count	2	2	9	6
Simplified	13			6

By pressing ↖ or ↗, you control which wall Vega will jump to. With ↑ Vega will always go to the nearest wall. Once airbourne, you have control over your speed by holding ← or →. Vega is slow when jumping towards the wall, then faster when he flies off it. You can minimize the delay by being at maximum range from your opponent and touching a side of the screen.
This move is useless against some characters, and dominates others. Every character has basic standing & jumping normals that will counter the wall dive, so use it on wakeup, against fireballs, to run away when you're leading in health, and to bait counter-attacks.

Ryu - at full screen, you can Wall Dive in anticipation, and safely hold back if he does nothing, or catch him with the throw if he does a fireball.
Ken - Ken's Fierce DP will hit you even if you're holding back, so limit to ambiguous crossups.
Honda - if he's being a defensive turtle, you can crossup dive to cancel his headbutt charge, then come in from straight above to avoid the butt slam.
Chun - J.Short easily stuffs dives from any range. Get her with fakes or on wake-up only.
Blanka - Vertical Ball destroys the dive in every possible situation.
Zangief - His 3P Lariat beats most attacks, but you can hit his head cleanly with the tip of your claw while flying over him.
Guile - Flash kick still hits you even when he's facing the wrong direction, so use fakes from max range and Slide him if he falls for it.
Dhalsim - His normals hit you out of dives easily, but he has no wakeup options besides teleporting away.
Fei Long - Like Guile, limit yourself to fakes to bait a Flame Kick.
Cammy - Roundhouse Cannon Spike will get you from very long range, but if you cross up and attack from on top, you can make it miss.
T. Hawk - Same as Cammy - angle your dive high and fast to get behind his long range Rising Hawk.
Dee Jay - His Triple Kick is weak if you're right on top of him, so try to get him in a corner then go off that corner wall, to fall right on his head.
Balrog - Headbutts and C.Fierce beat dives every time, and fakes are easy for him to dash punch. Use very sparingly.
Vega - Vega can Flipkick a dive, or 3K backflip through one if he's crossed up or on wakeup. As long as you crossup, it's pretty safe to use.
Sagat - High fireballs tend to hit you if you're trying to ↗ cross him up. Stay on the ground against him.
Bison - He has no reversal and his air moves lose if you do the claw high and early. Dive on him all day long.

• Sky High Claw: (Charge ↓, ↑, P)

Detailed Input: (Charge ↓ for at least 61f, [0~7f] ↑ [0~11/9/7/3f] Jab/Strong/Fierce/any P if you are at a jumpable state. It is needed to wait at least 1 frame after leaving the charge direction to enter with the K button)

Damage (Jab) + Claw	? + ?
Damage (Strong) + Claw	? + ?
Damage (Fierce) + Claw	? + ?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count		1	2	1	6+	5	33-
Simplified		10+				5	33-

• Claw attack: (P, while diving from Sky High Claw. The strength of the attack is determined by the P button you activated the Dive, not the one you're using to attack)

Damage (Jab) + Claw	? + ?
Damage (Strong) + Claw	? + ?
Damage (Fierce) + Claw	? + ?
Stun	?~?
Stun Timer	?
Frame Count (Jab)		20	13-
Frame Count (Strong)		16	17-
Frame Count (Fierce)		12	21-

• Knockback/Vega dives full screen, crosses the opponent, but does not touches the end of screen, lands:

Frame Count	5	4	3	4	5	23+/0	12
Simplified	44+/6+						12

• Vega dives full screen, touches the end of screen and then lands:

Frame Count (Jab)	20	12
Frame Count (Strong)	13	12
Frame Count (Fierce)	8	12

By pressing ↖ or ↗, you control which wall Vega will jump to. With ↑ Vega will always go to the nearest wall.

Vega goes off the wall and shoots directly at the opponent with a claw. You do not have any control once in the air. Doing this with Jab will make him fly higher- this will hit jumpers, but completely miss someone on the ground. This move has a small chance of catching someone by surprise, but leaves you vulnerable if blocked. The best use of this move is against people who jump up to counter your Wall Dive, like Chun Li or M.Bison often do.