Street Fighter IV/Zangief

Move Analysis

Combos

How about a thread dedicated to Gief's combos? He doesn't have many, but it's good to get them and a discussion of how to do/use them into one location.

Ground Combos

Crouching lp, crouching lp, crouching lp, standing mp** Damage: 30+30+(30*.8)+(90*.7) = 147

Crouching lk, crouching lk, crouching lk, standing mp** Damage: 40+40+(40*.8)+(90*.7) = 175

Far standing short xx ex green hand(aka toe xx hand) Damage: 30+160 = 190

Antiair trade/fadc punch lariat, ex green hand (1 hit) Damage: 120+80 = 200

LP spinning piledriver(aka spd) Damage: 200

Atomic suplex(aka close 360+k) Damage: 200

Atomic suplex(aka far 360+k) Damage: 200

Late kick lariat, ex hand (1 hit) Damage: 130+80 = 210

Late punch lariat, ex hand (1 hit) Damage: 140+80 = 220

MP spd) Damage: 220

EX spd Damage: 220

EX close 360+k Damage: 220

Crouching lp, crouching lk, crouching lk, crouching lk xx ex hand*, ** Damage: 30+40+(40*.8)+(40*.7)+(160*.6) = 226

Running bear grab(aka far 360+k) Damage: 230

Crouching lk, crouching lk, crouching lk, crouching lk xx ex hand*, ** Damage: 40+40+(40*.8)+(40*.7)+(160*.6) = 236

HP spd Damage: 240

Crouching lp, close standing mp/mk xx ex hand Damage: 30+90+(.8*160) = 248

Crouching lp, crouching lp, far standing mp, far standing lk xx ex hand** Damage: 30+30+(.8*90)+(.7*30)+(.6*160) = 249

Close standing mp/mk xx ex hand Damage: 90+160 = 250

EX far 360+k Damage: 250

Crouching lk, crouching lk, far standing mp, far standing lk xx ex hand** Damage: 40+40+(.8*90)+(.7*40)+(30*.7)+(.6*160) = 297

Crossup Combos

HP splash, crouching lk xx kick lariat Damage: 110+40+(110*.8) = 238

HP splash, crouching lp, crouching lp, crouching lp, standing mp** Damage: 110+30+(30*.8)+(30*.7)+(90*.6) = 239

HP splash, crouching lk, crouching lk, crouching lk, crouching lk xx ex hand*, ** Damage: 110+40+(40*.8)+(40*.7)+(40*.6)+(160*.5) = 306

HP splash, crouching lp, crouching lp, far standing mp, standing lk xx ex hand Damage: 110+30+(30*.8)+(90*.7)+(30*.6)+(160*.5) = 325

Fierce splash, crouching lk, far standing mp, crouching lk xx ex hand Damage: 110+40+(90*.8)+(40*.7)+(160*.6) = 346

Jump-in Combos

Jumping hp/hk, crouching hk Damage: 120+120 = 240

Jumping mk, crouching lk xx ex hand Damage: 90+40+(160*.8) = 258

Jumping hp/hk, far standing hp/hk Damage: 120+140 = 260

Jumping hp/hk, crouching lk xx ex hand Damage: 120+40+(160*.8) = 288

Jumping hp/hk, crouching lk, crouching lk xx ex hand*, ** Damage: 120+40+(40*.8)+(160*.7) = 296

[i]Jumping hp/hk, crouching lp, crouching lp, far standing mp, far standing lk xx ex hand[/I Damage: 120+30+(30*.8)+(90*.7)+(30*.6)+(160*.5) = 335

Jumping hp/hk, far standing mp, crouching lk xx ex hand Damage: 120+90+(40*.8)+(160*.7) = 354

Focus Attack Combos

Level 3 FA, crouching lk, crouching lk, crouching lk, crouching lk xx ex green hand*, ** Damage: 170+(.8*30)+(.7*30)+(.6*30)+(.5*40)+(.4*160) = 317

Level 3 FA, close 360+k Damage: 170+(.8*200) = 330

Level 3 FA, ex close 360+k Damage: 170+(.8*220) = 346

Level 3 FA, atomic suplex Damage: 170+(.8*230) = 354

Level 3 FA, hp spd Damage: 170+(.8*240) = 362

Level 3 FA, crouching lk, crouching lk, standing mp, crouching lk xx ex green hand** Damage: 170+(.8*40)+(.7*40)+(.6*90)+(.5*40)+(.4*160) = 368

Ultra and Super Combos

Level 1 ultra Damage: 400

Super Damage: 500

Level 2 ultra Damage: 600

• You can replace the crouching shorts in these combos with crouching jabs, but each crouching jab does 10 fewer damage points than crouching short. You can chain these attacks, you still have to link at least second to last hit of these combos (ie the last normal attack before the ex green hand) because you can't cancel into a chained series of normals into a special move like ex green hand, but you can cancel into a linked move into a special move.

The difference between chaining and linking is that moves that are designed to chain, that is cancel their animation right into each other, will combo into each other if you just mash the button, whereas a linked move is a move that comes after you wait for the previous move's animation and recovery to finish completely. Zangief's jabs and shorts are chainable, which makes doing most of these combos easier if you use crouching jab, but if you do chain them, you can't cancel right from a chained crouching jab into ex green hand, so you have to link the last one before ex green hand. You do this just by waiting for the second-to-last crouching jab to completely finish its animation before you do the last one. If you want to link the whole combo and chain none of it, then wait a longer time between each jab/short to allow each one's animation to finish before going into the next.

Bottom line, if you want to combo the jab/shorts combos into ex green hand, do the combo slowly and make sure that at least the last normal part of the combo is linked instead of chained.

• • Against tall characters who can get hit by standing jab while crouching, it's easier to do these combos by replacing the crouching jabs/shorts with standing jab. Standing jab has a sweet +8 frame advantage on hit that makes it really easy to link out of and is still a chainable attack, so it's the easiest of all worlds. This isn't necessary and you do give up some damage if you do it instead of crouching shorts, but if you're having trouble with these combos and you're up against a tall character, try this out.

-Ultradavid 10/21/2008

Frame Data

Street Fighter IV

				frame	frame	frames of	frames of			super meter		cancel
move Name	startup	active	recovery	adv.blk	adv.hit	blockstun	hitstun	damage	stun	gain	block	ability	comments
close LP	4	6	7	-2	+1	10	13	40	50	20	HL	CSpS	-
close MP	5	2	14	-2	+1	13	16	90	100	40	HL	SpS	-
close HP	7	4	20	-6	-1	17	22	140	200	60	HL	-	-
close LK	4	2	10	-1	+2	10	13	30	50	20	HL	-	-
close MK	5	2	15	-3	0	13	16	90	100	40	HL	SpS	-
close HK	7	4	21	-5	-1	19	23	140	200	60	HL	-	-
far LP	4	2	5	+5	+8	11	14	40	50	20	HL	CSpS	-
far MP	4	2	10	+2	+5	13	16	90	100	40	HL	-	-
far HP	12	3	18	-3	+1	17	21	140	200	60	HL	-	-
far LK	4	2	7	+2	+5	10	13	30	50	20	HL	SpS	-
far MK	7	6	18	-10	-7	13	16	90	100	40	HL	-	-
far HK	11	4	16	-2	+2	17	21	140	200	60	HL	-	-
crouch LP	4	3	6	+2	+5	10	13	30	50	20	HL	CSpS	-
crouch MP	8	5	12	-3	+3	13	19	80	100	40	HL	-	-
crouch HP	12	4	16	-2	+2	17	21	120	200	60	HL	S	-
crouch LK	3	3	7	+1	+4	10	13	40	50	20	L	SpS	-
crouch MK	9	4	15	-5	-2	13	16	90	100	40	L	-	-
crouch HK	9	5	18	-5	-	17	-	120	200	60	L	-	-
jump up LP	5	5	-	-	-	8	11	60	50	20	H	-	-
jump up MP	7	4	-	-	-	11	15	90	100	40	H	-	-
jump up HP	10	6	-	-	-	15	18	140	200	60	H	-	-
jump up LK	7	4	-	-	-	8	11	50	50	20	H	-	-
jump up MK	9	5	-	-	-	11	15	90	100	40	H	-	-
jump up HK	9	6	-	-	-	15	18	120	200	60	H	-	-
jump forward LP	6	5	-	-	-	8	11	60	50	20	H	-	-
jump forward MP	7	3	-	-	-	11	15	90	100	40	H	-	-
jump forward HP	11	6	-	-	-	15	18	120	200	60	H	-	-
jump forward LK	7	4	-	-	-	8	11	50	50	20	H	-	-
jump forward MK	9	10	-	-	-	11	15	90	100	40	H	-	-
jump forward HK	9	6	-	-	-	15	18	120	200	60	H	-	-
D+HP(air)	6	7	-	-	-	15	19	110	150	60	H	-	-
D+WK(air)	8	6	-	-	-	8	11	50	50	20	H	-	-
U+HP(air)	4	6	-	-	-	11	15	100	500	40	H	-	-
U+MP(air)	6	12	-	-	-	15	19	120	600	60	HL	-	-
DF+HK	14	7	22	-11	-	17	-	120	200	60	L	-	-
level1 FA	23	5	32	-21	-21	15	15	90	100	20	HL	-	-
level2 FA	17+16	5	32	-15	-	21	-	120	150	40	HL	-	-
level3 FA	65	5	32	-	-	-	-	170	20	60	-	-	-
F+LP+LK	3	2	20	-	-	-	-	160	180	40	0.9	-	-
B+LP+LK	3	2	20	-	-	-	-	160	180	40	0.9	-	-
Spinning Piledriver LP	2	2	52	-	-	-	-	200	100	40/100	1.65	-	-
Spinning Piledriver MP	2	2	50	-	-	-	-	220	150	40/100	1.45	-	-
Spinning Piledriver HP	2	2	48	-	-	-	-	240	200	40/100	1.35	-	-
Spinning Piledriver EX	4	2	47	-	-	-	-	220	150	0/0	1.35	-	-
Banishing Flat LP	11	2	21	-7	-5	15	17	120	100	30/30	HL	S	-
Banishing Flat MP	13	2	22	-8	-6	15	17	130	150	30/30	HL	S	-
Banishing Flat HP	16	2	23	-9	-5	15	17	140	200	30/30	HL	S	-
Banishing Flat EX	13	1*1	27	-9	-	18	18	80*80	50*50	0/0	HL	-*S	-
Lariet PPP	4	2(4)7(2)7(3)9(2)8(4)3	14	-44	-	20	-	120*140	150*200	30/40	HL	S*-	-
Lariet KKK	4	2(4)5(3)8(4)3	14	-23	-	20	-	110*130	100*150	30/30	HL	S*-	-
Running Bear Grab	2	2	45	-	-	-	-	230	200	30/140	1.0	-	-
Double German Suplex	1	2	45	-	-	-	-	200	150	30/80	0.9	-	-
Running Bear Grab EX	2	2	45	-	-	-	-	250	200	0/0	1.0	-	-
Double German Suplex EX	1	2	45	-	-	-	-	220	200	0/0	0.9	-	-
Super Combo	1+0	2	46	-	-	-	-	500	0	0/0	1.2	-	-
Ultra Combo	1+0	2	46	-	-	-	-	400	0	0/0	1.4	-	-
move name	startup	active	recovery	frame	frame	frames of	frames of	damage	stun	super meter	block	cancel	comments
				adv.blk	adv.hit	blockstun	hitstun			gain		ability