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Max charge Bani (guard)→E→2C→bani, E→grave baku (IAD), c.AC, kill | Max charge Bani (guard)→E→2C→bani, E→grave baku (IAD), c.AC, kill | ||
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==Houou youko kaiten combos== | ==Houou youko kaiten combos== |
Revision as of 20:23, 30 May 2018
This page covers Thouther combos. Before diving right in be sure to familiarize yourself with Thouther's special moves and important normal moves.
Technique
Delay j.C air 214A
Grave , delay chase jump, JC, air 214A ( extreme delay requirred on raoh)
- Midscreen, you'll have to adapt your combo depending on whether air 214A hits once or twice.
Grave-tk 214A
Part that will be used a lot after C+D or B+D. Done easily with 21478A.
Aerial
after a close C, if you tk correctly your special, you will get the grounded version but it will take one star. Useful with spear (62369A/C) and gekiha (2147A). If you're too slow on the cancel, the chase jump will come out.
236A boost
~236A, boost on the second hit.
-Won't become a boost cancel (will only take 20%) but you will recover faster.
Close B>far D, or 2B will connect, and if your opponent guard cancels on 236A's second hit, you should be able to block it (even if it's Mamiya). It has to be linked though, so you need to get used to it.
Can also be used during press.
Cheap boost banishing
There is a way to reduce the boost quantity used by the boost after a boost C+D.
After 2C or far D, do E~C~D instead of E+C+D.
If you do E+C+D, the boost after will cost 50%, but if you do E~C~D correctly, it will only cost 20%.
Really useful when you only have 1 bar.
Basic Combos
No meter, low starter combos
2B*n→236A→236C→236D (doesn't work on crouching Jagi) 2B*n→2C→far D , 236B→236D (doesn't work on crouching Jagi) tk 214A→far D, banishing strike combo (crouching Rei only)☆ 2B*n→A+C, delay JC 214A, (1 hit midscreen) far C, 236C→236D ☆ 2B*n→A+C, delay JC 214A, (1 hit midscreen), A+C, JA→214A, JB→214A (will meaty for oki)☆☆ 2B*n→A+C, delay JC 214A (2 hit midscreen) close C, far C , 236C→236D ☆ 2B*n→grave delay JC 214A (2 hit midscreen) close C 6239A, grave JA→JB→baku ☆☆ 2B*n→A+C delay JC 214A →close C, JA→214A, JB→214A (will meaty for oki)☆☆ 2B close D→JD→falling JC , 214A , close A, close C , 2147A (near corner) ☆ 2B close D→JD→falling JC, 214A, far A, far C , 236A~ 2B close D→HJ JAJBJCJD→close A, close C, 2147A, ☆ 2B2D→623C, dash close A , close C 6329A, close A, close C 2147A ☆☆ 2B2D→623C, dash close A close C,6239A, close A close C, JA→214A, JB→214A (will meaty for oki) ☆☆ |
Overhead Combos
6A> boost 2B close C 6239A, 5A> close C f.C A+C, tk air 214A☆☆ 6A>boost 2B close C 6239A close D JACD> close B Close D A+C tk air 214A ☆☆( doesn't work on Toki Mamiya and Souther) |
If 6A is guarded but 2B hits then go to close C to Grave combos
If both 6A, 2B are guarded then go to close C Grave follow up
Banishing strike combo ( start with CDE outside of raw hit)
Direct hit or A+B boost starter
~>[A+C tk 214A]*2, JBJD 214A, JBJC 214A, IAD j.B >214A or 214214C ☆☆☆ |
tk 214A or 2B2C f.D starter
~>[A+C tk 214A]*2>far A>214A ☆☆☆ |
236C (1hit) starter
~>A+C tk 214A>IAD JB, f.D, Geki ☆☆ |
Cross down 2C combos (generally starting from raw C+D or A+B boost C+D)
The 2C*n part will be done with Souther on the wall side. When you'll do tk 2141236A, the opponent will go to the other wall.
C+D, boost, >2C*2~3>236A, boost, 2C*n> tk 21412236A (doesn't work on Heart) C+D, boost> close D far D, 236A, boost>2C*n> tk 2141236A (doesn't work on Heart) C+D, boost>2C*2>236A, C> 623A , boost, 2C*n>tk 2141236A (vs Heart but not stable) C+D, boost, > close C, close D, far D, 236A, boost>2C*n> tk 2141236A (vs Heart) C+D, boost >2C*2~3>236A 236C 236D, boost, 2C*n , tk 2141236A (good vs all char but need 1.5 boost) |
Cross down 2C 100%
~>cross down >2C*9~10>C>E~214214C>E>B>E>C+D>E>B>C>623A*3~4>tk 2141236A |
6B starter
corner, 6B→(Non Boost) [A+C dash]*n |
- You get a lot of boost but your opponent too. Mixing it with A+C tk 214A allows you take stars.
Grave combos, corner
Juda、shin, mamiya, heart, sauza ~2B2C
~>A+C >delay JC 214A>A+C>tk 214A>B>C>C> 214A☆☆ ~>A+C, delay JC 214A>A+C>tk 214A, B>C> C+D ☆☆☆ |
Toki, Kenshiro ~2B2C
~>A+C>delay JC 214A>JAJCJD(>jc>JAJCJD)>close C>214214C or 214A☆ ~>A+C>delay JC 214A>JAJCJD(>jc>JAJCJD)>c.C>2Cf.C>214A ☆ ~>A+C>delay JC 214A>JAJCJD(>jc>JAJCJD)>c.C>far C>2Cfar C>214A☆ |
Jump Install Grave combos
~>A+C >delay JC 214A>close C>6239A>close A close C> 2147A ☆☆☆ ~>A+C >delay JC 214A>close C>6239A>close A close C>C+D>E>2C*n> meaty 214A(vs Rei, Heart) ~>A+C>delay JC 214A>c.C>6239A>A+C>JA 214A>meaty 214A(vs Rei, Heart) |
Banju route(doesn't work on Toki, Mamiya, Souther)
~>A+C, delay JC 214A, close C >6239A>close D>JACD>close B D>A+C>meaty tk 214A |
(meaty tk 214A vs shin)
~>A+C, delay JC 214A, close C , 6239A, close D, JACD, close B C , meaty tk 214A |
(low height pickup close D)
~>A+C, delay JC 214A, close C, 6239A, close D, JABC, jD whiff, 2B A+C meaty tk 214A |
(doesn't work on Toki)
~>A+C, delay JC, close C, 6239A, JACD, close B D, A+C, tk 214A |
(Normal route when you cant normally land 214A on char like vs. Juda)
~>A+C, delay JC 214A, close C, 6239A, JACD, close B C, 2147A |
Bani Combos Concept
When to use Bani combos or Grave combos
As Souther, you want to get boost then always press and push the opponent as much as possible into the corner and start your corner okizeme game. In order to optimize your corner carry you need to know when to use either combo.
Generally you want to do:
~236C,E>2C*2>A+C, delay JC 214A, close C, 6239A, close A C, tk meaty 214A |
which is fine when you want guaranteed damage with three stars but when you want to corner the likes of Rei and Heart then:
~236C, boost C+D, A+C tk 214A, IAD JB, far D, meaty 214A |
This will put them in corner and set up meaty Geki
If you catch a crouching Rei then far D, C+D will combo
FKO Combos
☆-0
You can do this from many normal moves but generally wouldn't recommend it.
☆-1
~delay JC 214A(2HIT)→land (close C) FKO(possible midscreen) ~C+D→2C→FKO |
☆-2
~delay Jc Baku, boost f.A f.C, bani, boost f.C, kill (midscreen, hit f.A low) ~Delay Jc Baku, c.C, install spearr, c.A, kill (corner) ~bani, grave baku,→IAD JB→kill |
☆-3
~Delay Jc Baku, c.C, install spear, c.A c.C, Bani, E, c.A c.C , kill ~JC→Baku 2 hit, JA, JD, Boost Baku, land Bani, Boost cancel, kill ~JA→JB→baku 2 hit, JA JB, Boost Baku, land Bani, Boost Cancel, kill ( vs Toki, Jagi, Juda) 2B2Cf.D, Boost Bani, Grave Baku, E, c.C, IAD Baku, IAD JB, kill 2B2Cf.D, Boost Bani, Grave Baku x2, E, kill raw Bani, Grave Baku x 2, IAD JB, kill ~Kobinu, Boost Bani, Heavy, Grave Baku, IAD JB, kill (back to corner) 6A>boost 2B, c.C, install spear, Grave, JA JB, Boost Baku, Bani, boost kill ( boost 1.5 , corner) |
☆-4
Corner, lift/catch throw, grave IAD Baku loop x 2, c.AC , Bani, E, c.C, kill Corner, catch throw, grave, IAD Baku, c.C, install spear, Bani, boost c.AC, kill Corner, catch throw, grave, IAD Baku, c.C, install spear, c.AC, bani, boost kill ( Toki ok) Catch throw, boost grave (vs ken no boost) , JC ( vs Heart JD) , Baku, JAJD, boost baku, bani, boost kill ( vs ken, sauza, raoh, rei, heart, can do anywhere) Max charge Bani (guard)→E→2C→bani, E→grave baku (IAD), c.AC, kill |
Houou youko kaiten combos
2B*n→grave, delay JC Baku, c.C, install spear, c.AC, youko C.D, HJABCD, c.AC, youko 近D→HJABCD Corner, c.D, neutral JD, IAD JC, c.C, install spear, c.AC, youko Corner, 2D, spear, dash c.AC, install spear, c.AC, youko Things to try after youko ~2B Grave Baku set up ~2B Geki set up ~2B low hitting hikanu/kobinu? |
Okizeme from Youko
IAD Baku, 2B, 6A, 2A, 5B, spear * 4, f.C, Geki 2B→6A、6A、from throw 2A→5A→spear* Kobinu Low, fastest Kaeriminu (unblockable) |
After Youko , from set up Baku or Geki
~ charge Bani, (no boost) hikanu, bani combo ~charge bani, (no boost), grave, dash grave, hikanu low hit, bani combo ~heavy, boost bani |
Vs Juda, side switch
Not in corner
Grave, delay JC Baku, grave, JAB, switch sides, Baku Grave, delay Jc Baku 2hit, c.C, install spear, grave, JAB, switch, Baku ☆☆ Grave, delay JC 2hit, c.C, grave, JAB, switch, Baku ☆ |
From Bani
Bani combo→グレ剥がし(HSC)→JA→JB→JD→switch, baku |
Chikuseki Combos
Midscreen