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Revision as of 20:01, 22 May 2018

Pokken Tournament DX

Introduction



The most commonly used defensive option is blocking. In most cases, a player that blocks an attack puts them in an advantageous state that lets them recover faster in comparison to the opponent that threw out the attack. Common frame disadvantages from attacks hitting block leave the attacker either -4 or -8. The larger the frame disadvantage, the more difficult it is to escape retaliation.

An example would be if both players threw out a move of the same speed. If the attacking player hits the defending player's block with a move that is -8 on block and does a frame 15 move afterwards, the the defending player's frame 15 move will come out first because of the 8 frame delay the attacking player received.

A move that makes a player -4 or -8 still lets them act after they recover from the attack. However, moves that are -12 (and onwards) give the defending player an opportunity in punishing the attacking player before they're able to input any action. Moves that are this minus on block are typically tied to those that offer mixup potential and cover multiple options. The risk and reward from these moves are balanced by putting the player in a punishable state.

As stated earlier, punishable moves have varying degrees as to what you can punish with. Moves that are -12 and -16 give enough time to grab or do a jab starter. Moves that are -20 and -24 though open up multiple choices such as launchers that lead into an optimal combo. Understanding these differences will net you the most reward when it comes to punishing these moves on block.

One quick point to bring up in regards to moves that are -12 on block. Certain characters might not always have an i11 move on hand at any given moment. Some characters i11 options are only available in Duel Phase. As for Blastoise and Chandelure, they have no i11 moves in either Field or Duel Phase. Making these two the only ones that are unable to punish moves that are -12 on block.

Unsafe Field Phase Moves



Darkrai
Pokken Darkrai Hold 5A 1.png n[A] Dark Pulse: Charge (Two Orbs)

-12

Pokken Darkrai 6A 1.png fA Dark Void

-12

Pokken Darkrai Hold 5A 1.png n[A] Dark Pulse: Charge (One Orb)

-16

Pokken Darkrai Hold 5A 1.png n[A] Dark Pulse: Charge (No Orbs)

-20

Pokken Darkrai Burst Attack.png L+R Infinite Eclipse

-20

Pokken Darkrai jAA.png j.AA Shadow Claw: Kick Followup

-28

Pokken Darkrai jY 1 FP.png j.Y

-33

Pokken Darkrai jaYX 2.png j.AY/X Shadow Claw: Slice Followup

-33

Pokken Darkrai jAYX.png j.A[Y/X] Shadow Claw: Slice Followup Charge

-33

Blaziken
Pokken Blaziken nY.png nY

-12

Pokken Blaziken sY.png sY

-12

Pokken Blaziken fY.png fY

-12

Pokken Blaziken 5A 1.png nA Heat Wave

-12

Pokken Blaziken bY.png bY

-16

Pokken Blaziken 6AX 2.png fAX Flare Blitz

-16

Pokken Blaziken jYY FP.png j.YY

-28

Pokken Blaziken jsY.png j.sY

-33

Pokken Blaziken jY FP 1.png j.Y

-37

Pokken Blaziken Release X 2.png ]X[ (Second Hit)

-37

Pokken Blaziken Release X 1.png ]X[ (First Hit)

-75

Pikachu
Pokken Pikachu Release Y 2.png ]Y[ Level Two

-12

Pokken Pikachu jY FP 1.png j.Y

-12

Pokken Pikachu Release Y 1.png ]Y[ Level One

-16

Pokken Pikachu sY.png sY

-16

Pokken Pikachu jA 1.png j.A Thunder (Initial Hit)

-28

Lucario
Pokken Lucario 4AA.png bAA Force Palm: Burst Followup

-12

Pokken Lucario 5A 4.png Burst nA Aura Sphere Level One

-12

Pokken Lucario 5A 5.png Burst nA Aura Sphere Level Two

-12

Pokken Lucario 6AA.png fAA Bone Rush: Upward Swing

-12

Pokken Lucario 6A.png fA Bone Rush

-16

Pokken Lucario jA 1.png j.A Aura Sphere: Midair

-20

File:Pokken Lucario nY.png nY

-22

Pokken Lucario 5A 6.png Burst nA Aura Sphere Level Three

-22

Pokken Lucario jA 3.png j.[A] Aura Sphere: Midair Charge

-22

Pokken Lucario sY.png sY

-24

Pokken Lucario bY.png bY

-24

Pokken Lucario 5A 1.png nA Aura Sphere Level One

-24

Pokken Lucario jY FP.png j.Y

-33

Gardevoir
Pokken Gardevoir jX FP.png j.X

-12

Pokken Gardevoir 5A.png nA Psyshock

-12

Pokken Gardevoir Burst Attack.png L+R Fairy Tempest

-12

Pokken Gardevoir jY FP.png j.Y

-16

Pokken Gardevoir sY.png sY

-20

Pokken Gardevoir jCA 2.png Non-Burst j.X+A Midair Counter Attack

-20

Pokken Gardevoir Release A 1.png ]A[ Moonblast

-20

Pokken Gardevoir 4AY.png bAY Energy Ball

-20

Pokken Gardevoir jA 1.png j.A Magical Leaf

-45

Pikachu Libre
Pokken Pikachu Libre nY.png nY

-12

Pokken Pikachu Libre sY.png sY

-12

Pokken Pikachu Libre jA 1.png j.A Spark

-16

Scizor
Pokken Scizor jY FP 1.png j.Y

-12

Pokken Scizor jAA.png j.AA Aerial Ace: Followup

-12

Pokken Scizor sY 1.png sY

-16

Pokken Scizor jA 1.png j.A Aerial Ace (First Hit)

-18

Pokken Scizor 4A.png bA U-Turn

-20

Pokken Scizor 4AA.png bAA U-Turn: Followup

-20

Pokken Scizor jY FP 2.png j.[Y]

-24

Pokken Scizor sY 2.png s[Y]

-28

Pokken Scizor bY 1.png bY

-28

Pokken Scizor jA 2.png j.AA Aerial Ace (Second Hit)

-28

Pokken Scizor sYY.png sYY

-33

Pokken Scizor bY 2.png b[Y]

-41

Aegislash
Pokken Aegislash nY 1.png nY

-12

Pokken Aegislash 5AAA.png nAAA Fury Cutter (Enhanced)

-12

Pokken Aegislash SF sY 1.png Shield Form sY

-12

Pokken Aegislash SF sY 2.png Shield Form s[Y]

-12

Pokken Aegislash SF4a 1.png Shield Form bA Sacred Sword

-12

Pokken Aegislash jX FP 1.png j.X

-16

Pokken Aegislash jX FP 2.png j.X (Enhanced)

-16

Pokken Aegislash SF nY.png Shield Form nY

-16 *

Pokken Aegislash SF bY.png Shield Form bY

-16 *

Pokken Aegislash bY.png bY (Un-Enhanced)

-22

Pokken Aegislash fY 1.png fY (Un-Enhanced) -24
Pokken Aegislash jY FP.png j.Y (Un-Enhanced)

-24

Pokken Aegislash SF fY.png Shield Form fY

-24

Pokken Aegislash SF6A.png Shield Form fA Flash Cannon

-24

* Can only be punished with a grab or pierce.
Croagunk
Pokken Croagunk nY 1.png nY

-12

Pokken Croagunk nY 2.png n[Y]

-12

Pokken Croagunk sY.png sY

-12

Pokken Croagunk Release X 2.png ]X[ Release X (One Debuff)

-12

Pokken Croagunk Release X 3.png ]X[ Release X (Two Debuffs)

-12

Pokken Croagunk 6A.png fA Poison Jab

-12

Pokken Croagunk 4A.png bA Thief (No Buffs) -12
Pokken Croagunk jA 1.png j.A Gunk Shot (Rock)

-12

Pokken Croagunk jA 2.png j.A Gunk Shot (Bomb)

-12

Pokken Croagunk jA 8.png j.A Gunk Shot (Sludge Pool)

-12

Pokken Croagunk 5A.png nAA Poison Sting

-16

Pokken Croagunk Release X 1.png ]X[ (No Debuffs)

-20

Pokken Croagunk 5A.png nAAA Poison Sting

-20

Pokken Croagunk jsX.png j.sX

-24

Sceptile
Pokken Sceptile 4A 3.png bA Detect

-12

Pokken Sceptile 6A.png fA Leaf Blade

-20

Pokken Sceptile jA 1.png j.A Leech Seed

-16

Pokken Sceptile fY.png fY

-18

Gengar
Pokken Gengar fY 1.png Non-Burst fY

-12

Pokken Gengar jY FP 2.png j.[Y]

-12

Pokken Gengar bY.png bY

-16

Pokken Gengar jY FP 2.png j.Y

-24

Pokken Gengar jX FP 1.png Non-Burst j.X

-33

Pokken Gengar jX FP 2.png Burst j.X

-33

Pokken Gengar Release X 1.png ]X[ Release X

-57

Decidueye
Pokken Decidueye nY.png nY

-12

Pokken Decidueye sY.png sY

-12

Pokken Decidueye fY.png fY

-12

Pokken Decidueye Soaring Stance X 2.png Soaring Stance X

-16

Pokken Decidueye 6A.png fA Fury Attack

-16

Pokken Decidueye 4A.png bA Frenzy Plant

-41

Machamp
Pokken Machamp 5A 2.png nA Cross Chop

-24

Braixen
Pokken Braixen 5A 1.png nA Psybeam (Un-Enhanced)

-16

Pokken Braixen jY FP.png j.Y

-16

Pokken Braixen bX 2.png bX

-16

Pokken Braixen nY.png nY

-18

Empoleon
Pokken Empoleon bY.png bY

-12 *

Pokken Empoleon Slide Y.png Slide Y

-12

Pokken Empoleon 5A 2.png nA Aqua Jet Level 2

-12

Pokken Empoleon nY.png nY

-16

Pokken Empoleon sY.png sY

-16

Pokken Empoleon fY.png fY

-16

Pokken Empoleon 6A.png fA Ice Beam

-16

Pokken Empoleon Slide 2.png Slide X

-20

Pokken Empoleon 5A 1.png nA Aqua Jet Level 1

-20

Pokken Empoleon bY.png bY

-20 *

Pokken Empoleon jY FP 1.png j.Y

-22

Pokken Empoleon Slide A 2.png Slide A Hydro Cannon: Backwards -24
Pokken Empoleon 5AX.png nAX Waterfall -37
* -12 against Lucario, Aegislash, Croagunk, and Braixen. -20 against Pikachu and Pikachu Libre. -8 against everyone else.
Blastoise
Pokken Blastoise fY.png Non-Burst fY

-12

Pokken Blastoise 5AA.png nAA Aura Sphere

-12

Pokken Blastoise sY 2.png sY

-16

Pokken Blastoise 5A.png nA Water Gun

-16

Pokken Blastoise 6A.png fA Rapid Spin -16
Pokken Blastoise 6A.png Shell Fortress Stance A Rapid Spin -16
Pokken Blastoise 5AY 1.png Non-Burst nAY Dark Pulse

-20

Pokken Blastoise 5AY 2.png Burst nAY Dark Pulse

-20

Pokken Blastoise jY FP 1.png j.Y

-22

Pokken Blastoise SFS X.png Shell Fortress Stance X

-33

Pokken Blastoise jA 2.png j.A Bubble

-33

Mewtwo
Pokken Mewtwo 4AA.png bAA Confusion

-12

Pokken Mewtwo 5AA.png nAA Psycho Cut: Followup

-12

Pokken Mewtwo jA 3.png j.A Focus Blast: Charge

-12

Pokken Mewtwo nY.png nY

-18

Pokken Mewtwo sY.png sY

-22

Pokken Mewtwo 5A.png nA Psycho Cut

-24

Pokken Mewtwo jA 2.png j.A Focus Blast

-24

Pokken Mewtwo 6A 2.png fA Hyper Beam -26
Pokken Mewtwo fY 2.png fY

-28

Chandelure
s[Y] -16
nA Will-O-Wisp -12
f[Y] -16
j.X -16
bA Flame Burst -16
b[A] Flame Burst: Charge -16
n[A] Will-O-Wisp: Charge -16
fA Smog -16
n[Y] -18
j.[Y] -18
fY -20
nY -22
j.Y -26
sY -28
j.A Incinerate -28
Suicune
X+A Counter Attack -12
bA Mirror Coat -16
sY -16
nY -18
sYY -20
fA Hydro Pump -24
nA Aurora Beam -28
X+A > Y Counter Attack: Followup -37
Weavile
fA Knock Off -12
fY -16
nAAAA Fury Swipes -16
nAA Fury Swipes -20
nAAA Fury Swipes -20
j.AR Icicle Crash: Nosedive -22 *
j.AB Icicle Crash: Jump -41
j.A Icicle Crash -71
* -22 against Gardevoir, Aegislash, Decidueye, and Suicune. -8 against everyone else.
Charizard
sYY -12
fY -12
j.Y -12
X Homing Attack 1 -12
XX Homing Attack 2 -12
nA Flamethrower -12
Flight Stance Y Air Slash -20
bA Inferno -24
Non-Burst fA Fire Punch -24
j.8A Flare Blitz: Direct -52
Garchomp
nY -16
X Homing Attack 1 -16
L+R Outrage Smasher -16
j.Y -20
fA Dig -24
]X[ Release X -28
]X[ Release X (Upwards) -61
Shadow Mewtwo
Burst nY -12
5AYYY Psywave: Slash -12
5AA Psywave: Blast Level One -12
5AA Psywave: Blast Level Three -12
bY -16
5AY Psywave: Slash -16
5AYY Psywave: Slash -16
Non-Burst nY -18
L+R Dark Nova -20
j.Y -22



Unsafe Duel Phase Moves



Darkrai
4X -12
5X -12
6X -12
4YYY -12
4YY:Y -12
5[A] Dark Pulse: Charge (Two Orbs) -12
6A Dark Void -12
8A Nightmare -12
Bad Dreams Rising L+R Infinite Eclipse -12
j.Y -16
5[A] Dark Pulse: Charge (One Orb) -16
j.AA Shadow Claw: Kick Followup -16
5[A] Dark Pulse: Charge (No Orbs) -20
L+R Infinite Eclipse -20
j.AY/X Shadow Claw: Slice Followup -33
j.A[Y/X] Shadow Claw: Slice Followup Charge -33
Blaziken
6Y -12
2X -12
5A Heat Wave -12
6YX -16
8Y -16
2XX -16
6AX Flare Blitz -16
]X[ (Second Hit) -37
8A Sky Uppercut -49
8[A] Sky Uppercut -51
]X[ (First Hit) -75
Pikachu
]Y[ Level 2 -12
]Y[ Level 1 -16
2A Iron Tail -16
8AA Volt Tackle: Burst Followup -28
j.A Thunder (Initial Hit) -28
8A Volt Tackle -49
Lucario
6Y -12
6Y:Y -12
4AA Force Palm: Burst Followup -12
Burst 5A Aura Sphere Level 1 -12
Burst 5A Aura Sphere Level 2 -12
6AA Bone Rush: Upward Swing -12
6YY -16
6A Bone Rush -16
j.A Aura Sphere -20
Burst 5A Aura Sphere Level 3 -22
j.A Aura Sphere: Midair Charge -22
5A Aura Sphere Level 1 -24
8AA Extreme Speed: Burst Followup -25
8A Extreme Speed -49
Gardevoir
6Y -12
5A Psyshock -12
L+R Fairy Tempest -12
6X -16
Non-Burst j.X+A Midair Counter Attack -20
]A[ Moonblast -20
4AY Energy Ball -20
j.A Magical Leaf -24
Pikachu Libre
2X -12
2A Wild Charge -16
Enhanced 2A Wild Charge -20
j.A Spark -16
Scizor
Hover Dash Y -12
6Y -12
6YY -12
2A Bullet Punch: Followup -12
Non-Burst 3A Bullet Punch -12
j.AA Aerial Ace: Followup -12
6YX -16
j.YY -16
2X -16
6XX -16
Burst 1/2/3A Bullet Punch -16
Non-Burst 2A Bullet Punch -16
2AX X-Scissor -16
2A:X X-Scissor -16
j.A Aerial Ace (First Hit) -18
6X -20
Non Burst 1A Bullet Punch -20
4A U-Turn -20
4AA U-Turn: Followup -20
j.A Aerial Ace (Second Hit) -28
Aegislash
5YX/5YYX (Enhanced) -12
5Y:X/5YY:X (Enhanced) -12
5YYY -12 *
5AAA Fury Cutter (Enhanced) -12
Shield Form 4Y -12 **
Shield Form 6Y -12 ***
Shield Form 5X -12 **
Shield Form 4A Sacred Sword -12
2YX -16 *
4Y (Un-Enhanced) -16
5YX/5YYX (Un-Enhanced) -16
5Y:X/5YY:X (Un-Enhanced) -16
4X -16
5X -16
Shield Form 5Y -16 ***
8Y -20 *
6X -20
6:X -20
Shield Form 5Y -20 **
Shield Form 6Y -20 **
j.YY -24
Shield Form 6A Flash Cannon -24
* Can only be punished with a grab or pierce.
** If Aegislash dash cancels out of Shield Form.
*** If Aegislash stays in Shield Form.
Croagunk
4YY -12
6Y: Rock -12
6Y: Bomb -12
]X[ (One/Two Debuffs) -12
2X -12
5X -12
4A Thief (No Buffs) -12
6A Poison Jab -12
j.A Gunk Shot: Rock -12
j.A Gunk Shot: Bomb -12
j.A Gunk Shot: Sludge Pool -12
6X -16
j.X -16
j.8X -16
2A Venoshock (Two Debuffs) -16
5AA Poison Sting -16
]X[ (No Debuffs) -20
2A Venoshock (One Debuff) -20
5AAA Poison Sting -20
2A Venoshock (No Debuffs) -24
Sceptile
6YY -12
6Y:Y -12
2X -12
5X -12
4A Detect -12
6A Leaf Blade -16
j.A Leech Seed -16
Gengar
8Y -12
2XX -12
5X -12
2X -16
j.X -16
]X[ -57
Decidueye
8Y -16
8X -16
6A Fury Attack -16
Soaring Stance X -16
4A Frenzy Plant -41
Machamp
6YYY -12
4X -12
8X -12
2X -16
2XX -16
4XX -16
5A Cross Chop -24
2A Close Combat -28
Braixen
4Y -12
j.Y -12
2X -12
2A Light Screen (Un-Enhanced) -12
2A Light Screen (Enhanced) -12
8A Flamethrower (Enhanced) -12
4X -16
8X -16
8A Flamethrower (Un-Enhanced) -16
4A Fire Blast (Un-Enhanced) -20
4A Fire Blast (Enhanced) -20
j.A Flame Charge -22
Empoleon
6YY -12
8Y -12 *
4X -12
5X -12
5A Aqua Jet Level Two -12
2X -16
6A Ice Beam -16
6[A] Ice Beam -16
6Y -20
8Y -20 *
Reverse Slide X -20
5A Aqua Jet Level One -20
8A Drill Peck -24
Slide A Hydro Cannon: Backwards -24
* -12 against Lucario, Aegislash, Croagunk, and Braixen. -20 against Pikachu and Pikachu Libre. -8 against everyone else.
Blastoise
6Y -12
5X -12
6X -12
5AA Aura Sphere -12
8XX -16
5A Water Gun -16
6A Rapid Spin -16
Shell Fortress Stance A Rapid Spin -16
5AY Dark Pulse -20
Shell Fortress Stance X -33
j.A Bubble -33
Mewtwo
6Y -12
2X -12
2A Fire Punch -12
4AA Confusion -12
5AA Psycho Cut: Followup -12
6YY -16
6X -16
2AA Ice Punch -16
5X -20
5A Psycho Cut -24
8A Psystrike -24
6A Hyper Beam -26
Chandelure
6[Y] -12
8Y -12
4X -16
5A Will-O-Wisp
6Y -16
5X -16
6X -16
6X:X -16
4A Flame Burst -16
4[A] Flame Burst: Charge -16
5[A] Will-O-Wisp -16
6A Smog -16
j.8[Y] -20
6XX -20
8A Overheat: Negative Status -20
j.Y -24
j.8Y -24
j.A Incinerate -28
Suicune
X+A Counter Attack -12
4Y -12
5YYY -12
6YY -12
2X -16
4A Mirror Coat -16
6Y -20
6A Hydro Pump -24
5A Aurora Beam -28
X+A > Y Counter Attack: Followup -37
Weavile
2YY -12
6X -12
6A Knock Off -12
2X -16
8A Ice Punch -16
5AAAA Fury Swipes -16
5AA Fury Swipes -20
5AAA Fury Swipes -20
j.AR Icicle Crash: Nosedive -22 *
j.X -33
j.AB Icicle Crash: Jump -41
j.A Icicle Crash -71
* -22 against Gardevoir, Aegislash, Decidueye, and Suicune. -8 against everyone else.
Charizard
5YY -12
j.6YY -12
2X -12
5A Flamethrower -12
6Y -16
5X -16
6XX -16
Non-Burst 6A Fire Punch -16
Flight Stance Y Air Slash -16
4A Inferno -24
6X -28
j.8A Flare Blitz: Direct -37
Garchomp
5Y -12
6YY -12
5YYY -16
6Y -16
8Y -16
5X -16
L+R Outrage Smasher -16
6A Dig -24
]X[ Release X -28
]X[ Release X (Upwards) -61
Shadow Mewtwo
Non-Burst 5YY -12
8Y -12
Non-Burst 2X -12
5X -12
5XX -12
5AYYY Psywave: Slash -12
5AA Psywave: Blast Level One -12
5AA Psywave: Blast Level Three -12
5AY Psywave: Slash -16
5AYY Psywave: Slash -16
L+R Dark Nova -20
8A Psystrike -24